Use of HCG or Clomid for a restart without the use of steroid/s - opinions please?

[oscar1990]

I dont think its hypogonadism, when I saw shrinkage I dont mean literally like a sucked up package my nuts are still there but they dont feel as heavy, round and full.

So you are saying HCG decreases/suppresses FSH? Does other types of exogenous forms of androgens surpress FSH?

I remember when I was taking pre workouts, my LH was 6 and my FSH was 1... a few months later I got my LH and FSH tested again just for a general check up and I was off pre-workouts or other supplements and my LH was 4.5 and FSH of 2. I am convinced that PWO have some types of androgens in them.. Please correct me if im overlooking something, e.g. caffeine or stimulants which may also surpress FSH and increase LH.

[oscarjones]

I dont think its hypogonadism, when I saw shrinkage I dont mean literally like a sucked up package my nuts are still there but they dont feel as heavy, round and full.

So you are saying HCG decreases/suppresses FSH? Does other types of exogenous forms of androgens surpress FSH?

Yes, and yes. Most exogenous androgens will suppress natural production to some degree.

I remember when I was taking pre workouts, my LH was 6 and my FSH was 1... a few months later I got my LH and FSH tested again just for a general check up and I was off pre-workouts or other supplements and my LH was 4.5 and FSH of 2. I am convinced that PWO have some types of androgens in them.. Please correct me if im overlooking something, e.g. caffeine or stimulants which may also surpress FSH and increase LH.

It's hard to speculate considering I have no idea what you were taking exactly, and it's hard to base labs with little to no difference without an extensive knowledge of your current and past overall medical history.

As far as stimulants go, I don't see how they could directly affect your endogenous male hormone production to a significant degree. Again, these are my thoughts and I wish I could help more. It wouldn't hurt to bring these questions up to your Dr. (if you are seeing them for your blood testing) and try to be more specific about what you were supplementing with. If it was a pro-hormone type of supplement, then that's a whole different ball-game.