Chinese HGH concerns

[marcus300]

^^exactly totally agree

[swithuk]

ok understood . many thanks to you both for your replies

im just about to start a new box so im hoping this one will be different .i will do 3i.u in the morning and 3 in the evening and see how things go . maybe be they are sending me inferior gear because im buying so little .......?

i will email the rep im dealing with there and explain . but im sure this will be a waist of time

mind you years ago when i was using real jintropin i didnt get much sides then either apart from my hands tingling . maybe i just dont get sides ?

[Far from massive]

Damn I hate being in a situation like that,

Its so hard to be an impartial judge when you have a couple of grand worth of "HGH" you are hopeing is good. I have not read all of your posts but it sounds as if you are now only on HGH IE no AAS. If so I really doubt that you are immune to all the sides...that is if on AAS you may be less likely to notice some of them but if using only HGH it would be hard not to notice the changes after 20 days particularly of 6iu's pd.

By the way this is all based of what I have read I am by no means an expert on growth.

[Razor]

Well been back on for almost 2 weeks at 10iu and it's working, sleep is perfect, fingernails are growing daily which never happens unless I'm on growth. Skin looks better, pumps are amazing in the gym and my bad knee already feels better. Energy is improved throughout the day I could not ask for better results.

[marcus300]

Well been back on for almost 2 weeks at 10iu and it's working, sleep is perfect, fingernails are growing daily which never happens unless I'm on growth. Skin looks better, pumps are amazing in the gym and my bad knee already feels better. Energy is improved throughout the day I could not ask for better results.

You've been on 10ius per day straight off for two wks and you have no sides ? I always knew you was unstable but you have either bunk or your exaggerating the truth. I can't read utter rubbish like that without stating the obvious.

[Razor]

You've been on 10ius per day straight off for two wks and you have no sides ? I always knew you was unstable but you have either bunk or your exaggerating the truth. I can't read utter rubbish like that without stating the obvious.

I ran 10iu for 6 months took a month off now I'm back on, I'm pretty used to it by now and I do have sides, numb hands and feet and my right arm falls asleep a lot. Hands get sore too, my feet get cold a lot and my hands do as well.

Bottom line I dont think i got fakes

[Razor]

Totals

Serostim (18iu) vials.. I ran 10months 126iu a month 4iu ed and 2 months of Nurtropin AQ 300iu (60iu) cartridges


Anki 1600iu (currently taking)
Same results as serostim and nurtropin

[marcus300]

I ran 10iu for 6 months took a month off now I'm back on, I'm pretty used to it by now and I do have sides, numb hands and feet and my right arm falls asleep a lot. Hands get sore too, my feet get cold a lot and my hands do as well.

Bottom line I dont think i got fakes

Like I said 10ius from a break and that's all your experiencing, I still stand by what I said. Strange how now you got numb hands etc when you first posted you didn't.

If your happy you carry on,

[sgt2jay]

Like I said 10ius from a break and that's all your experiencing, I still stand by what I said. Strange how now you got numb hands etc when you first posted you didn't.

If your happy you carry on,

my $.02 on ansomone at 10iu a day. i ran it for during a 12 week test only cycle ramoing up from 5iu to 10iu (5iu am 5iu pm) i dont recall my total duration at 10iu but it was at least 4 weeks. i my side where as close as i want to get to bad. cold hands, numb fingers and my fore arms where the worst.

i am only speaking from my experiences.

[lightweight11]

I used chinese blue tops about 6 months ago with good results. I wasn't taking any AAS at the time only the gh. I ran it low 2-3iu only and noticeably lost fat and maintained the muscle I had with fairly high cardio. So i don't believe that all gh from China is fake but its definitely a gamble based on everything Ive read on this thread.

[DanB]

^^ I have also done a lot of business with Anki for close to 8 yrs, infact I am on personaly speaking terms with them but for 3 seperate guys state similar things regarding the quality and results thats good enough for me to stop using them. They have done it before and I am 100% sure they doing it again. You may think you have real, you may half real but without doubt someting has changed with them and thats why I am not foing any more business with them.

The same thing hapened with generics, I spent another 3-4 yrs using them because i thought I had real gh but this time China aren't having anymore of mine money, i'm done with them!!

I have 2 other guys starting their anki gh on Monday, see what comes back

several ftiends get serum/igf test quarterly and if any problems i let you know but between us all locally it is massive amount of money and I dont want to discuss figures on open forum for obvious reasons but due to the large turnover we also have a close business relationship with them and out of 10k+ of i.u since this came to light there has been no problems on this end although if the suitation changes I'll will inform you promptly

G

[DanB]

marcus -
Thanks for your input. again my intentions were not to point fingers as i hope you understand just looking at different opiontions thanks for clearing it up. I wont speak for everone herre but you seem to be the go to guy for good solid advice and i am sure many have learned from you knowledge and experience.

To Swithuk -
I agree with Marcus if you have felt nothing after 20 day i would be concerned. I have been using Ansomone for close to a year now and at various dosages. starting out at 2.5 iu i felt all the side and as my body got used to them they subsided. i believe a big indication that your gh is is good is not only the side but just as important that over time the subside. My theory is that if the fakes put a subsatnce to mimick or copy gh side they would remain longer if not during the whole use. the reason i believe that is the year prior to this i used a generic at 5iu a day and my sides never went away.

anyway that my $.02

2.5 is nothing

pin 10 and if no sides then id get worried

[sgt2jay]

2.5 is nothing

pin 10 and if no sides then id get worried

i think you missed my point. i said at 2.5 iu i had sides stating that at 10 you should have plenty.

and i have ran 10iu

[lightweight11]

2.5 is nothing

pin 10 and if no sides then id get worried

Dan I bought some kigs 5 months ago and havent used them yet. According to this thread all kigs are garbage. What's the best way to see if there legit, the serum test through privatemdlabs? Or pin a high amount and see if I get sides?

[gixxerboy1]

Dan I bought some kigs 5 months ago and havent used them yet. According to this thread all kigs are garbage. What's the best way to see if there legit, the serum test through privatemdlabs? Or pin a high amount and see if I get sides?

just through them in the garbage

[DanB]

Dan I bought some kigs 5 months ago and havent used them yet. According to this thread all kigs are garbage. What's the best way to see if there legit, the serum test through privatemdlabs? Or pin a high amount and see if I get sides?

i thought you refering to ansomone

i aggee with above

bin them

g

[Razor]

Like I said 10ius from a break and that's all your experiencing, I still stand by what I said. Strange how now you got numb hands etc when you first posted you didn't.

If your happy you carry on,

No disrespect but if you read back I was not posting about my negative side effects and I was not asked about any of them, them I was just posting my current positive side effects. Now im writing this up and my right arm feels numb..thx marcus lol

[marcus300]

Sure it is lol

[gixxerboy1]

Sure it is lol

i love it

[Razor]

Sure it is lol

no i was just joking its not falling asleep lol, anyways enough about me, how is your batch going?

[marcus300]

no i was just joking its not falling asleep lol, anyways enough about me, how is your batch going?

To be perfectly honest I can't tell when your lying or telling the truth.

My batch lol

They are selling fakes again so I'm pretty sure how its going to go. I'm not trying to convince myself they real I'm sure they selling fakes. I just hope some are real then its not fully wasted.

Look guys I know I've pissed some people off about Anasome but trust me your not as pissed as me, I've lost my source!

Carry on using them, use generic I'm not bothered but what I have done is bring the whole issue about Chinese fakes to the table and after a few years nearly everyone agrees. I also bring 25yrs worth of experience so believe what you want, think what you want but don't lie to yourself.

[Razor]

To be perfectly honest I can't tell when your lying or telling the truth.

My batch lol

They are selling fakes again so I'm pretty sure how its going to go. I'm not trying to convince myself they real I'm sure they selling fakes. I just hope some are real then its not fully wasted.

Look guys I know I've pissed some people off about Anasome but trust me your not as pissed as me, I've lost my source!

Carry on using them, use generic I'm not bothered but what I have done is bring the whole issue about Chinese fakes to the table and after a few years nearly everyone agrees. I also bring 25yrs worth of experience so believe what you want, think what you want but don't lie to yourself.

No I agree with you I think they might be screwing people here and there, Dan seems to still have hope for them however I am never buying from them again because of all these rumors. Its to risky now. I dont think I am going to use GH anymore either after I used all this up. Its not sustainable, and not worth the trouble. After this run it will be close to 2.5 years of using it and thats long enough for a lifetime IMO.

Sorry you lost your source, I got into this whole thing cause of your recommendation so if your not using them anymore Im not going to either. Im not as pissed though as you though cause you obviously want to stay on it and I really dont care anymore after this blast. Im never going to be Phil Heath so it does not matter, I think I made as much gains as Im going to from it and thats all folks.

As I mentioned earlier Ive run the good american and swiss pharma grade gh and had just as good results with anki as I did with them, so its too bad about all this new stuff because obviously anki was a lot cheaper and just as good quality. And it puts people out in the cold who actually want to give GH a try and try to get something outside of the rips, jins and other fakes This is all really too bad if its true.

Im usually joking when I put a behind what I say

[Razor]

Also what are some names of reputable generics? Be nice for people here at least to have there shot at real gh and this not be the end of it for everyone.

[lightweight11]

just through them in the garbage

Funny thing is my source still stands behind his kigs saying everyone loves them. Maybe he'll give me a refund.

Also what are some names of reputable generics? Be nice for people here at least to have there shot at real gh and this not be the end of it for everyone.

Yes I'd be interested to hear some thoughts on this??

[marcus300]

No I agree with you I think they might be screwing people here and there, Dan seems to still have hope for them however I am never buying from them again because of all these rumors. Its to risky now. I dont think I am going to use GH anymore either after I used all this up. Its not sustainable, and not worth the trouble. After this run it will be close to 2.5 years of using it and thats long enough for a lifetime IMO.

Sorry you lost your source, I got into this whole thing cause of your recommendation so if your not using them anymore Im not going to either. Im not as pissed though as you though cause you obviously want to stay on it and I really dont care anymore after this blast. Im never going to be Phil Heath so it does not matter, I think I made as much gains as Im going to from it and thats all folks.

As I mentioned earlier Ive run the good american and swiss pharma grade gh and had just as good results with anki as I did with them, so its too bad about all this new stuff because obviously anki was a lot cheaper and just as good quality. And it puts people out in the cold who actually want to give GH a try and try to get something outside of the rips, jins and other fakes This is all really too bad if its true.

Im usually joking when I put a behind what I say

No problem

[marcus300]

no i was just joking its not falling asleep lol, anyways enough about me, how is your batch going?

I've got a post in this thread somewhere about this but I've use hyges,Jins,blues,yellow, kigs, sero,Lilly and infact my generic supplier years ago sent me clear vials and nearly every label and bixes going , he said stick want you want on lol
I'll write something and post it soon but there is a lot of information already in this thread from many guys giving their opinions and views

[marcus300]

no i was just joking its not falling asleep lol, anyways enough about me, how is your batch going?

I've got a post in this thread somewhere about this but I've use hyges,Jins,blues,yellow, kigs, sero,Lilly and more infact my generic supplier years ago sent me clear vials and nearly every label and boxes going , he said stick want you want on lol
I'll write something and post it soon but there is a lot of information already in this thread from many guys giving their opinions and views

[Razor]

I've got a post in this thread somewhere about this but I've use hyges,Jins,blues,yellow, kigs, sero,Lilly and more infact my generic supplier years ago sent me clear vials and nearly every label and boxes going , he said stick want you want on lol
I'll write something and post it soon but there is a lot of information already in this thread from many guys giving their opinions and views

ok thx i think it would help a lot of people.

[ChuckEisenmench]

Still researching and posting so I can have access to all the secret squirrel shit all the hall of famer and vet extrodinaire have. Need mentor and useful advice concerning GOOD sources not just what is crap! Have you heard of lixus labs?

[gixxerboy1]

We dont discuss sources and there is a section to ask about labs

[Ronnie Rowland]

Anasome have been great they did have issues with sending out fakes about ten years who but they got another licence and they sorted themselves out. But what's made me think twice recently is I've had 3 separate incidents reported to me by serious bodybuilders who know what they are doing and saying. Some reported the powder flake not solid but all of then said they had different sides this time round and held a lot of water and gains are not the same. Some report zero gains some said minor but strange sides. 3 separate incidents reporting the same things tell me something is wrong! Also ankie wouldn't re ship even when photos were taken of the powder flake and reported sides and gains different, she wouldn't re ship even when these people have been buying from her for years. Sounds like they built up a big client base for selling cheap pharm grade now they selling either peptides,fakes or some other chemical they manufacturing for big $$$$$ .

I'm disappointed with ankie and Chinese growth to be honest. All you can do is try it and see for yourself you may have real or maybe half is real who knows but I won't be running it again even though I have over a 1000ius here .

Do what you want, believe what you want but for me ankie is over to many coincidences

I am sad to say that marcus is once again correct in what he has to say regarding anasome GH made by ankebio. Their products and customer service were great as of last year but things have taken a turn for the worst this year. Products being received are not pharm grade GH and customer service (nancy) will not return e-mails. Some of the vials being sent out are like concrete and will not mix, while others are loose flakes, not in disc form as in the past. In the past, noticeable results began showing with ANSOMONE at aronnd 3 months. Whatever ankebio is selling now is not real GH because the results are not there and it's been around 5 months. They could care less it would seem. I'll post some more updates later. Hopefully they will send out free replacements with real pharm grade GH this time around to those who have been wronged!?

NOTE: We should all give praise to marcus for coming out with the truth because he was the one who introduced ansomone to us and he could have just stayed silent on the matter. We are lucky to have him on this board. You don't find people like marcus on others boards these days. They are all about themselves and he puts others before himself. I respect that kind of behavior more than I can put in words. Simply put, it's called being a real man!

[Far from massive]

Also what are some names of reputable generics? Be nice for people here at least to have there shot at real gh and this not be the end of it for everyone.

I think Marcus has made it pretty clear... there is not even any good Chinese Pharma growth left, so there damn sure are no good generics. But if I am wrong and anyone knows of any good generics let me know...

One guy said that the blue tops with the sparkles and yellow dots on the upper left of the box are smokin!

Of course he was the guy selling them ;-)

PS this post is all in fun..not meant to flame anyone..I as much as anyone wish there were some legit blue tops out there...thats how the muthafrs get you...its kinda like a shimmer in the desert...you get thirsty enough and everything looks like water.

I agree with Ronnie, it would be a lot easier for Marcus to just keep quiet than bury oneself in all the controversy and make enemies of all those who sell the blues, yellows,kigs etc etc etc. Thanks for stepping up to the plate.

[lovbyts]

Well as usual my timing is stellar and I probably have 2k worth of? ???? Sitting in a refrigerator in the Philippines waiting for me. good thing I spend months researching only to be wrong most of the time ..... good thing I'm independently wealthy and money is not an issue. NOT

[Angel of death]

I am sad to say that marcus is once again correct in what he has to say regarding ansomone GH made by ankebio. Their products and customer service were great as of last year but things have taken a turn for the worst this year. Products being received are not pharm grade GH and customer service (nancy) will not return e-mails. Some of the vials being sent out are like concrete and will not mix, while others are loose flakes, not in disc form as in the past. In the past, noticeable results began showing with ANSOMONE at aronnd 3 months. Whatever ankebio is selling now is not real GH because the results are not there and it's been around 5 months. They could care less it would seem. I'll post some more updates later. Hopefully they will send out free replacements with real pharm grade GH this time around to those who have been wronged!?

NOTE: We should all give praise to marcus for coming out with the truth because he was the one who introduced ansomone to us and he could have just stayed silent on the matter. We are lucky to have him on this board. You don't find people like marcus on others boards these days. They are all about themselves and he puts others before himself. I respect that kind of behavior more than I can put in words. Simply put, it's called being a real man!

agreed, marcus seems like a genuine dude

[trackstar19]

Well I've been using generic blue tops for 2 months now, taking 5iu's a day (sprinkling in the odd 10iu/day once a week or so). I've never used hgh before but i'm fairly certain this is the real deal (as far as being dosed properly or not - that's anybodies guess). My finger and toe nails are growing way faster than usual, i swear i have to keep on top of them every few days now. I was exceptionally tired for the first few weeks, vivid dreams, 5-8lbs of water retention (i didn't slowly work my way up in dose), numb hands/feet/tingly feelings throughout the day. Mostly at night and in the morning. Crazy wrist pumps at the gym that often times make me have to drop the weight towards the end of my workout (time to invest in some straps). Definitely been leaning out and feeling 'fuller' all at the same time, too.

So i'm assuming it's the real deal despite all the bad talk with most generic blues (got them from my source directly in China). The thing is - Threads like this have me concerned. Was I just lucky? Could this potentially just be peptides that mimic all the same effects as hgh? I'm going to have to decide what to do in 4-5 months when i run out. I plan on running HGH for years to come, but money is a bit of an issue. Buying these generics make it very doable, but if i were to go the us pharma route it would be 'breaking the bank' so to speak.

What would you guys personally do? Realistically if i keep seeing results from these blue tops i'll order more of them and run with it and hope for the best. Would hate to find out i'm not injecting hgh, though. I suppose a smart choice would be to get my igf-1 levels tested or do the hgh serum test. Might be my next move.

[Razor]

Well I've been using generic blue tops for 2 months now, taking 5iu's a day (sprinkling in the odd 10iu/day once a week or so). I've never used hgh before but i'm fairly certain this is the real deal (as far as being dosed properly or not - that's anybodies guess). My finger and toe nails are growing way faster than usual, i swear i have to keep on top of them every few days now. I was exceptionally tired for the first few weeks, vivid dreams, 5-8lbs of water retention (i didn't slowly work my way up in dose), numb hands/feet/tingly feelings throughout the day. Mostly at night and in the morning. Crazy wrist pumps at the gym that often times make me have to drop the weight towards the end of my workout (time to invest in some straps). Definitely been leaning out and feeling 'fuller' all at the same time, too.

So i'm assuming it's the real deal despite all the bad talk with most generic blues (got them from my source directly in China). The thing is - Threads like this have me concerned. Was I just lucky? Could this potentially just be peptides that mimic all the same effects as hgh? I'm going to have to decide what to do in 4-5 months when i run out. I plan on running HGH for years to come, but money is a bit of an issue. Buying these generics make it very doable, but if i were to go the us pharma route it would be 'breaking the bank' so to speak.

What would you guys personally do? Realistically if i keep seeing results from these blue tops i'll order more of them and run with it and hope for the best. Would hate to find out i'm not injecting hgh, though. I suppose a smart choice would be to get my igf-1 levels tested or do the hgh serum test. Might be my next move.

Get a high serum test within 2 hours of pinning

[trackstar19]

Get a high serum test within 2 hours of pinning

That's what im thinking of doing. I figured they were slightly underdosed so i started off dosing it fairly high - but because of that i got all the side effects like crazy. I've been following some threads on different boards where they're keeping track of how the different types of hgh are testing out on the serum test. Costs something like $70 or so, right? Will likely do this fairly soon. If they test legit i'm going to be ecstatic - i could run this gh for years upon years without breaking the bank. Sounds dreamyyyyy. Hah.

[gixxerboy1]

That's what im thinking of doing. I figured they were slightly underdosed so i started off dosing it fairly high - but because of that i got all the side effects like crazy. I've been following some threads on different boards where they're keeping track of how the different types of hgh are testing out on the serum test. Costs something like $70 or so, right? Will likely do this fairly soon. If they test legit i'm going to be ecstatic - i could run this gh for years upon years without breaking the bank. Sounds dreamyyyyy. Hah.

read up on the serum test. It doesnt mean the gh is bio available. Stop trying to convince the shit you have is real. its garbage and you know

[marcus300]

I am sad to say that marcus is once again correct in what he has to say regarding ansomone GH made by ankebio. Their products and customer service were great as of last year but things have taken a turn for the worst this year. Products being received are not pharm grade GH and customer service (nancy) will not return e-mails. Some of the vials being sent out are like concrete and will not mix, while others are loose flakes, not in disc form as in the past. In the past, noticeable results began showing with ANSOMONE at aronnd 3 months. Whatever ankebio is selling now is not real GH because the results are not there and it's been around 5 months. They could care less it would seem. I'll post some more updates later. Hopefully they will send out free replacements with real pharm grade GH this time around to those who have been wronged!?

NOTE: We should all give praise to marcus for coming out with the truth because he was the one who introduced ansomone to us and he could have just stayed silent on the matter. We are lucky to have him on this board. You don't find people like marcus on others boards these days. They are all about themselves and he puts others before himself. I respect that kind of behavior more than I can put in words. Simply put, it's called being a real man!

Thanks for bringing your experience of Anasome out in the open, this will add to the weight of what I have been telling members regarding Ankie.

It was hard to bring this to light because I was the one guy who use to tell members that Ankie are 100% good to go but things change and the older guys who have been around a bit will understand that nothing is for ever especially when your dealing with China. Like Ive stated before I did alot of business with Ankie and for them to turn around and change things as really disappointed me. Ive used HGH for around 15yrs on and off and Ive tried the best and worse but when you know something is wrong no matter how many times Ive stated they are good to go you have to be honest. Trust me I never wanted to come out and state this about Ankie but I felt I had to just like I had to tell members about them when things were good.

Over the last couple of days Ive also had another guy email me that he thinks his anasome is fake, he tells me that he's got gyno from using gh which as never happened before and he tells me thats all he is using gh for the last 6 months he hasn't started his cycle yet, he also states that the results are different than last time and things don't feel right with this batch. This guy isn't a member here so he didn't see this thread by the way. This is 4 guys now and it looks like its building.Looks like mine is going to be bunk which really is pissing me off but at least I know now and not when Ive spent another few thousand.

Thanks Ronnie for you kind comment much appreciated and thanks for coming out public, means alot.

[trackstar19]

read up on the serum test. It doesnt mean the gh is bio available. Stop trying to convince the shit you have is real. its garbage and you know

Not really disagreeing with you at all bro, I truthfully don't know if it's garbage or not. Underdosed or mostly peptides? Probably. I'm getting positive results from it, though. So I figure whatever it is, as long as it's giving me positive results I might as well ride it out and see what happens. If I had the $$$ for us pharma gh i'd be on it in a heartbeat. Now to just win the lottery