Little help from the big folk!

[mattyb1222]

My stats are:
height: 6"0
weight: 230
Fat%: 10
Age: 25
Cycles: 1

Okay im looking to run another cycle but instead of just straight test i wanna throw in somethin else like tren here is my cycle well some of it:

Week1-10: Test E 500mgs/ew
week1-10: Tren E 250mgs/ew

i mean yeah id love to throw in e block like armi. the tren A i have messed a little with it was only five weeks worth but i had no sides in that time, what im looking for is some advise to to run along side it such as liver support or any of the sort. i have a good diet plan so no need for help there i have a good uncle who does it for a living. just looking for some tips is all! thanks bro's!

[mattyb1222]

Oh and i know about the e blocks for tren are different but i also here they have some pretty bad sides so i kinda wanna avoid that if poss

[Metalject]

The harsh side effects of Tren you hear a lot of people talk about are more response related than anything else. High doses can also bring them about, some will be able to tolerate higher doses than others, but generally a poor responder will display those effects at any dose.

There's really not a need for a liver support supplement with a test/tren cycle. Neither one of these steroids are hepatic. There have been, however, a few cases of elevated liver enzyme values with extremely high doses of tren, none with low to moderate doses though with any significant support to blame tren as the culprit.

As for the rest of your question, I'm not entirely sure what you're asking.

[mattyb1222]

Can it be bad if the liver enzyme values get to high? when tested never asked much about it. Im just really asking do you think ill need some sort of block for teh tren running it at 200mgs to 250mgs? and should i run the tren for a full 10weeks? along side the test. ive heard people say to only run tren for less but im not sure. and one last question i plan to put all of it in on needle so it'd be 3ccs totall i plan to inject in the shoulder but is there a better place i could put it or can the shoulder take 3 quite well

[mattyb1222]

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[mattyb1222]

Ohh and ive been reading and ive only ever did the once a week inject like every monday is there a better way to keep blood lvls steady or should i be fine sticking with the one week

[MuscleInk]

Can it be bad if the liver enzyme values get to high? when tested never asked much about it. Im just really asking do you think ill need some sort of block for teh tren running it at 200mgs to 250mgs? and should i run the tren for a full 10weeks? along side the test. ive heard people say to only run tren for less but im not sure. and one last question i plan to put all of it in on needle so it'd be 3ccs totall i plan to inject in the shoulder but is there a better place i could put it or can the shoulder take 3 quite well

Wow, brother you have A LOT of research ahead of you. I think Metalinject already addressed the hepatotoxicity of tren (i.e. it isn't.....it's more renal toxic if anything.). That you don't have any idea on how much an injection spot could take concerns me.

I know Metalinject will offer guidance.

[mattyb1222]

well i have a link to how much each inject spot can take what i just wonder if there was a less painfull place. And the tren i have read up on sense my first cycle but dam!! people have alot of different opinions on how to use tren mainly why i made this profile

[mattyb1222]

And yeah for the help metal mad respect

[Metalject]

Can it be bad if the liver enzyme values get to high? when tested never asked much about it. Im just really asking do you think ill need some sort of block for teh tren running it at 200mgs to 250mgs? and should i run the tren for a full 10weeks? along side the test. ive heard people say to only run tren for less but im not sure. and one last question i plan to put all of it in on needle so it'd be 3ccs totall i plan to inject in the shoulder but is there a better place i could put it or can the shoulder take 3 quite well

1. High liver enzyme values do not equate to damage but they are an indicator of stress and can lead to damage if ignored. However, liver enzyme values should not increase if you're using Tren or Test.

2. Your first course of Tren would be best served by using Trenbolone Acetate at 50mg every other day. 75mg every other day might be fine but I generally feel 50mg every other day is a good starting point. You will get fantastic gains from this dose. You will also be able to discontinue and have the adverse symptoms dissipate rapidly if you choose the Acetate form and run into trouble. If you choose the Enanthate version, two injections per week is the best way to go. I wouldn't go any higher than 200mg/wk, two 100mg injections. However, if you do run into problems, even if you discontinue use you'll have to wait a good 3wks or so for them to fully dissipate. It's always best to start with Tren-a so that you can gauge your response and stop and have the adverse effects clear rapidly if the need arises. I also feel Tren-a is the best Tren overall. It's easier to control in regards to maintaining peaked and stable blood levels. I would strongly consider Tren-a your first go around for approximately 6wks. If the response is good and you want to extend it to 8wks, that may be fine, but I would just plan on 6wks.

3. A lot of guys have a hard time injecting that much oil into their shoulder. If you're going to inject 3ml of oil the glutes would be the best spot. That said, some guys can tolerate this much oil in the shoulder, but larger injections like this really are better in the glutes.

4. Some sort of block? Are you referring to an anti-estrogen or something like that? Trenbolone doesn't aromatize, this does reduce the risk of gynecomastia and water retention. In fact, water retention is impossible due to Tren use. However, it carries a strong binding affinity for the progesterone receptor and this can in fact promote gynocomastia. Fortunately, anti-estrogens are effective at preventing progestin based gyno. Progesterone increases the stimulating effect of estrogen on the mammary tissue. If you're using an aromatizing steroid like testosterone, this can increase the risk of gyno even more when using tren due to progesterone's relationship with estrogen. All that said, and I know it probably sounded a little confusing, a lot of guys do need an anti-estrogen when using Tren and some don't. I personally never had gyno issues with Tren even without an anti-estrogen but a lot of guys need it.

[MuscleInk]

well i have a link to how much each inject spot can take what i just wonder if there was a less painfull place. And the tren i have read up on sense my first cycle but dam!! people have alot of different opinions on how to use tren mainly why i made this profile

You'll need to factor in the mg/ml of your gear because 3cc of 100mg/ml is not the same injection as a 3cc injection of a 400mg/ml substance.

As a general rule rule, the smaller the muscle, the smaller the bolus should be.

[mattyb1222]

so i should run some armidex? and inject twice a week? so something like this: monday 1cc of 250mg test, 1/2cc of 200mg tren. friday 1cc of 250mg test, 1/2cc of 200mg tren. at them low doses i should be fine in the shoulder

[Capebuffalo]

You'll need to factor in the mg/ml of your gear because 3cc of 100mg/ml is not the same injection as a 3cc injection of a 400mg/ml substance.

As a general rule rule, the smaller the muscle, the smaller the bolus should be.

Interesting concept. Any personal research don on it? How much would, let's say the traps hold?

[kelkel]

Op have you read Atomini's "Tren" sticky at the top of the forum. About as thorough as it will get....

[Lunk1]

Interesting concept. Any personal research don on it? How much would, let's say the traps hold?

HAHAH....thats funny cause I know what happened lol.

[Lunk1]

1. High liver enzyme values do not equate to damage but they are an indicator of stress and can lead to damage if ignored. However, liver enzyme values should not increase if you're using Tren or Test.

2. Your first course of Tren would be best served by using Trenbolone Acetate at 50mg every other day. 75mg every other day might be fine but I generally feel 50mg every other day is a good starting point. You will get fantastic gains from this dose. You will also be able to discontinue and have the adverse symptoms dissipate rapidly if you choose the Acetate form and run into trouble. If you choose the Enanthate version, two injections per week is the best way to go. I wouldn't go any higher than 200mg/wk, two 100mg injections. However, if you do run into problems, even if you discontinue use you'll have to wait a good 3wks or so for them to fully dissipate. It's always best to start with Tren-a so that you can gauge your response and stop and have the adverse effects clear rapidly if the need arises. I also feel Tren-a is the best Tren overall. It's easier to control in regards to maintaining peaked and stable blood levels. I would strongly consider Tren-a your first go around for approximately 6wks. If the response is good and you want to extend it to 8wks, that may be fine, but I would just plan on 6wks.

3. A lot of guys have a hard time injecting that much oil into their shoulder. If you're going to inject 3ml of oil the glutes would be the best spot. That said, some guys can tolerate this much oil in the shoulder, but larger injections like this really are better in the glutes.

4. Some sort of block? Are you referring to an anti-estrogen or something like that? Trenbolone doesn't aromatize, this does reduce the risk of gynecomastia and water retention. In fact, water retention is impossible due to Tren use. However, it carries a strong binding affinity for the progesterone receptor and this can in fact promote gynocomastia. Fortunately, anti-estrogens are effective at preventing progestin based gyno. Progesterone increases the stimulating effect of estrogen on the mammary tissue. If you're using an aromatizing steroid like testosterone, this can increase the risk of gyno even more when using tren due to progesterone's relationship with estrogen. All that said, and I know it probably sounded a little confusing, a lot of guys do need an anti-estrogen when using Tren and some don't. I personally never had gyno issues with Tren even without an anti-estrogen but a lot of guys need it.

Metel, this is an awesome post! Great advise!! The only thing I would add OP is that a lack of gyn does not neccasarily mean that you are not experiencing estro related sides. Read Swifto's sticky on AI's. I am now a firm believer on using them through cycle instead of keeping them on hand.

[DeadlyD]

Can it be bad if the liver enzyme values get to high? when tested never asked much about it. Im just really asking do you think ill need some sort of block for teh tren running it at 200mgs to 250mgs? and should i run the tren for a full 10weeks? along side the test. ive heard people say to only run tren for less but im not sure. and one last question i plan to put all of it in on needle so it'd be 3ccs totall i plan to inject in the shoulder but is there a better place i could put it or can the shoulder take 3 quite well

Delts should only take 1cc of medication, its a small site, 3cc would be more suited for your glutes.

Also Atomini has a great tread on tren, everything you need to know is in there.

[mattyb1222]

Okay thanks guys so last question is it safe to heat your oil up a little to make it more of a smooth ride per say haha

[mattyb1222]

And whats good to run to help from renal toxicity?? any good kidney stuff

[mattyb1222]

i kno like lots of apples and good foods but i wasnt sure if there was something else that can do it good i plan to drink minimum a gallon of water a day as well