keto diet...

[digsy1983]

Hey, I’ve just jumped from a calorie deficit diet onto carb cycling diet. i used my final deficit day as my last moderate carb day and now on day 3 of 50g starchy carbs (low carb). Tomorrow is going to be my high carb day.

I currently don’t feel too good (ketosis setting in, checked it with ketostix) I’ve just done some quick research and it turns out ketosis isn’t the terrible monster I thought it was. and when you are in ketosis you dont fel bad, its just getting there thats the B**CH

So I’m planning on giving the keto diet a try! Can always go onto carb cycling if and when needed.

Would a diet of 320g protein 45g fat be applicable for keto? thats a 80/20 split but only running on 1685 cals.

Or should I up the fat to 90g and have calories at 2090. (Same range as my carb deficit diet). roughly 60p/40f split.

[951thompson]

Hey, I’ve just jumped from a calorie deficit diet onto carb cycling diet. i used my final deficit day as my last moderate carb day and now on day 3 of 50g starchy carbs (low carb). Tomorrow is going to be my high carb day.

I currently don’t feel too good (ketosis setting in, checked it with ketostix) I’ve just done some quick research and it turns /out ketosis isn’t the terrible monster I thought it was. and when you are in ketosis you dont fel bad, its just getting there thats the B**CH
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So I’m planning on giving the keto diet a try! Can always go onto carb cycling if and when needed.

Would a diet of 320g protein 45g fat be applicable for keto? thats a 80/20 split but only running on 1685 cals.

Or should I up the fat to 90g and have calories at 2090. (Same range as my carb deficit diet). roughly 60p/40f split.

No to much protein will knock you out of ketotis, you have to eat at a split of 60% fat 35 protein 5 carb

You see when you body doesn't have any carbs it will use your protein for energy, this is why it knocks you out of ketotis. You need a split of 60 fat 35 protein 5 carb

[951thompson]

Its not a bad diet, instead of using carbs as fuel your body souly uses fat for energy, I had a lot of success by once been in ketotis fasting for 24 hours every other day. The the fasted period your body just uses your stored fat for energy, you lose bodyfat fast on this diet.

Just you have to be careful when reintroducing carbs into you diet, you have to do it gradually over a space of a few weeks

[951thompson]

Can I suggest a healthier way of cutting to you?

(Leangains) go check out leangains dot com

I suggest a 6 hour window at a 500 calorie deficit. On this diet I lose around a percent of bodyfat per two weeks. (Plus retaining lean muscle)

[digsy1983]

U most certainly can. I'm not fully on the keto diet, just got a foot in the door with carb cycling. Ill check that link tho when I have time later on! Cheers man!

[--->>405<<---]

how long u been cycling carbs and why do u wanna change it up?

IMO keto is not the way to go. look at pro bbers.. they cycle carbs.. IMO thats the best way to cut.

[digsy1983]

this is the first week of carb cycling. went onto moderate day (final day of deficit diet) to 3 low carb days. tomorrow will be the high carb day and the start of the "full" cycle. this so far is kinda the transistion peroid between the two.

high
mod
mod
mod - started on this day
low
low
low. - currently on this day.

my view is that if i dont try keto, ill have it constantly in my mind if i carry on with the carb cycling and id rather not be divided. every time im on my final low carb day i know id be contemplating it. at least i can try keto and if im not liking the results or even how im dealing with it carb cycling is ready and waiting to be picked back up with minor adjustments (transfering from keto back to cycling).

ive still got today and tomorrow morning to decide so im not commited to anything as of yet. all them 300g of carbs may prove too much for my will tomorrow.

[--->>405<<---]

shoot man i can eat 300g carbs in one meal and still be hungry!

[--->>405<<---]

the way i see it if keto was so good thats what pros would do.. and they dont.. why u think that is?

proof enuff for me..

[--->>405<<---]

the idea behind the high day and moderate days is to replace/build additional lost muscle from the dieting phase of the cycle. emphasis on lost muscle..

just my opinion..

[digsy1983]

just my opinion

and its well recieved buddy! ive had cracking results following ya advice so far! so ya words aint falling on deaf ears.

do you normally feel like you could start a fight in an empty house on ya final low carb day? i dont want to look in the mirror incase i start throwing punches at my reflection.lol.

i can take a bit of muscle loss if it means faster BF reductions. im looking at the short term loss, long term save my sanity approach. ive lost now nearly 60lbs and its getting a bore to be honest. sooner cant come fast enough really. may just be this depressing mood taking hold. ill contemplate my options tonight.

EDIT : actually 68lbs loss.

[951thompson]

Ketotis makes me feel shit, granted you can burn fat fast, but imo there are more comfortable ways of cutting.

Some people actually bulk on ketotis diet, eat shit like chocolate with bacon. (the mind boggles) Eating all that fat is not very appititising. I was downing bottles of olive oil, believe me it doesn't tastes good lol, he does work tho, before humans started eating carbs as our main source of energy, in the cave man hunter gathering days it's believed that humans main source of energy was fat and that cavemen lived permanently in ketotis. It's a very extreme diet imo. If you do it make sure you get some fibre in your diet as if you don't you will shit out you insides (piles) I know from personal experience lol

[digsy1983]

ha dont think ill be going down the "downing bottles of olive oil" route which ever way i go.

i supplement with pysillium husk for extra fibre so cvered on that front.

as ive said tho ive still got options open, tomorrow will be the decider. gona look up that diet link ya spoke about b4!

[951thompson]

ha dont think ill be going down the "downing bottles of olive oil" route which ever way i go.

i supplement with pysillium husk for extra fibre so cvered on that front.

as ive said tho ive still got options open, tomorrow will be the decider. gona look up that diet link ya spoke about b4!

Leangains is really good, the basics of it are, you have an 6 hour window to eat your micros. The other 18 hours are spent fasted. I know that sound a long time without food but look at it like this 8 or 9 of those hours will be spent sleeping, essentially what you will be doing is skipping breakfast, at 12pm your window open then closes at 6pm

What happens is this keeps your blood sugars level level, because your only spiking you insulin 6 hours per day (do some research on insulin and glycogen, if you don't already know) plus your using your fat reserves for the last four hours of every 18 hour fast. So you burn fat very fast ( while retaining lean muscle mass)

[951thompson]

Leangains is really good, the basics of it are, you have an 6 hour window to eat your micros. The other 18 hours are spent fasted. I know that sound a long time without food but look at it like this 8 or 9 of those hours will be spent sleeping, essentially what you will be doing is skipping breakfast, at 12pm your window open then closes at 6pm

What happens is this keeps your blood sugars level level, because your only spiking you insulin 6 hours per day (do some research on insulin and glycogen, if you don't already know) plus your using your fat reserves for the last four hours of every 18 hour fast. So you burn fat very fast ( while retaining lean muscle mass)

You could continue doing your carb cycling on leangains also if you would like ;-)

[digsy1983]

i dont think my life is suited for a 6 hour 2000 cals window. i work shifts and workout before/after work. on days off i could, but that would be running 2 diets alongside one n other. think id take carb cycling over the leangains method.

interesting article tho, only read about 50% so far tho.

[--->>405<<---]

and its well recieved buddy! ive had cracking results following ya advice so far! so ya words aint falling on deaf ears.

do you normally feel like you could start a fight in an empty house on ya final low carb day? i dont want to look in the mirror incase i start throwing punches at my reflection.lol.

i can take a bit of muscle loss if it means faster BF reductions. im looking at the short term loss, long term save my sanity approach. ive lost now nearly 60lbs and its getting a bore to be honest. sooner cant come fast enough really. may just be this depressing mood taking hold. ill contemplate my options tonight.

EDIT : actually 68lbs loss.

i hear u on the long cut. i dealt with cutting for 6months (prob not as long as u but still long).

an example of fat loss on carb cycle. last time i bulked for 8 weeks (thought it was maintenance LOL) and gained about 17lbs (or so). well when i cycled carbs it took me only 4 weeks to get back to my original bf%. plus i weighed 10lbs more!

8 weeks fat gained lost in 4 weeks...

[951thompson]

i dont think my life is suited for a 6 hour 2000 cals window. i work shifts and workout before/after work. on days off i could, but that would be running 2 diets alongside one n other. think id take carb cycling over the leangains method.

interesting article tho, only read about 50% so far tho.

You could run a 8 hour window, check out the fasting twins on YouTube, there fun to watch, got some good info on leangains and results.

Hey fair do if its not for you.

Maybe give ketotis a try, it's not too bad, just keep an eye out for you insides popping out of your arse ( eat plenty of broccoli) some good info on youtube ;-)

[--->>405<<---]

KETO = ****ing up IMO

[digsy1983]

i've just been reading a couple of threads on keto (i did before but i was mor interested in the diet rather than the details) and its a bit more involved than what i thought. i think the balcance has moved back into carb cycling as its all set out and its what i was set up to do anyhow. but, that being said i'll research keto in more detail and evaluate things down the line. i've not set a keto plan up so think it would be stupid to tryand stumble onto it off a whim. IM BLAMING THE CARB STARVATION.

cheers thompson and 405, ive battered my own head in today but your input has been vry much appreciated.


now where are those carb?? lol.

[951thompson]

i've just been reading a couple of threads on keto (i did before but i was mor interested in the diet rather than the details) and its a bit more involved than what i thought. i think the balcance has moved back into carb cycling as its all set out and its what i was set up to do anyhow. but, that being said i'll research keto in more detail and evaluate things down the line. i've not set a keto plan up so think it would be stupid to tryand stumble onto it off a whim. IM BLAMING THE CARB STARVATION.

cheers thompson and 405, ive battered my own head in today but your input has been vry much appreciated.

now where are those carb?? lol.

Cool good luck with it mate ;-)