Best Test Prop and Tren Ace Cutting Cycle!

[thebigkid]

Why should he weigh more than that? Maybe he doesn't want to be huge. Not everyone uses steroids to be huge, which is a concept a lot of guys on message boards tend to have a hard time understanding. Maybe he just wants to take what he has and make it better. And yes, I realize he could cut down without using steroids, this is obvious, but his physique will look a whole let better in regards to the end result with steroids. No chance on earth it won't.

As for long distance cardio and the use of Tren, yes it can hinder cardiovascular endurance but this is often highly overstated. The issue of individual response is huge here. If you're in relatively good cardiovascular shape, more than likely you shouldn't have much of an issue. However, some guys will, but again some guys won't. When I prepped for bodybuilding I always used a lot of Tren and cardio sessions were easily 60min twice a day...I had no issues at all. I had one year where I got too fat in the off-season and ended up having to do nearly 3hrs of cardio a day for a month. I was using 150mg of Tren-a per day and had zero issues. Anyway, the overall point is that it affects everyone differently.

As for your cycle, I think you're overcomplicating this quite a bit. A ten wk plan using the compounds you've chosen for your desired purpose based on this being your first Tren use...I'd go with something like this:

WK 1-10 Test-p 100-150mg/eod
WK 5-10 Tren-a 50-75mg/eod

I doubt you'll need letro for this cycle. Letro is as others have said a very strong AI. It's normally only needed in extreme cycles, or for the end of a contest prep plan or to reverse early gyno symptoms. I actually think there's a good chance you could get by without an AI in this cycle. Too many people rely on AI's far more than they should. People often talk about playing it safe during a cycle and that's great but AI's can be one of the most damaging things you can use if you're not careful, and they're not always needed. A low dose of Nolvdex throughout your cycle will more than likely suffice. Of course, you can keep an AI on hand should you need it. As for your PCT, you will need a bit more than this. There are some good PCT links here. I do, however, think you could get by with a 4-5wk plan of one SERM and HCG at the front or moderate dose of Clomid for a few wks along with Nolvadex and then extending the Nolva out another wk or two.

Finally someone who knows a lot about what they're talking about.

Im going to change my doses to: Weeks 1-10: 150mg test prop eod Weeks 5-9: 70mg tren ace eod. ill drop the letro and keep some adex just incase I need to start using it.

This will be my second time using tren, the first time i had no problem with doing long distance cardio therefore there should be a problem this time either. Also i will definetely be changing up my PCT, I just need to research it a little more.

[Lunk1]

Finally someone who knows a lot about what they're talking about.

Im going to change my doses to: Weeks 1-10: 150mg test prop eod Weeks 5-9: 70mg tren ace eod. ill drop the letro and keep some adex just incase I need to start using it.

This will be my second time using tren, the first time i had no problem with doing long distance cardio therefore there should be a problem this time either. Also i will definetely be changing up my PCT, I just need to research it a little more.

Metel DOES know plenty...you on the other hand should do some reading. This states 4 weeks of tren use which is NOT long enough. The prefered amount of time for the short ester compounds is 8-10 weeks. If this is your plan you will be wasting the tren and stopping JUST as it's really strarting to do it's job.
Week 1-10 test prop 150 mg eod
Week 1-8 tren ace 50-75 mg eod (I like to see first time tren users start out low and make sure the sides from tren are tolerable and then bump it after a cpl weeks if all is well)

[thebigkid]

Metel DOES know plenty...you on the other hand should do some reading. This states 4 weeks of tren use which is NOT long enough. The prefered amount of time for the short ester compounds is 8-10 weeks. If this is your plan you will be wasting the tren and stopping JUST as it's really strarting to do it's job.
Week 1-10 test prop 150 mg eod
Week 1-8 tren ace 50-75 mg eod (I like to see first time tren users start out low and make sure the sides from tren are tolerable and then bump it after a cpl weeks if all is well)

Yeah i agree with you, i will be running tren for 8 weeks since its my second time and i know my body can handle it. Just not sure if I want to start out with it, might wait till the start of the 3rd week to began tren.