Why the hate on Anavar?

[agh360]

I'm basically complete a newbie when it comes to steroids so I apologize if this a stupid question , but I'm trying to understand before I use in a year or two. Form what I understand Anavar gives you slow constant gains over time, nothing fast or major. It also burns fat and lots of the gains stay after the cycle ends and it has little to no side effects if used properly. Honestly that's sounds pretty great to me, but I've noticed that lots of people don't like it. Why is that? Is it because it's more expensive than others or because it gives slow gains

[christian123]

People usually love it actually

But its a really pricy Aas

[austinite]

Who hates var?

Please read below before considering using,

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.


I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.


I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[t-dogg]

I for one love anavar. Fat burning is amazing. Gives you super size pumps.



People dont like it do to cost and its a oral. Also "most" wont gain much size.

[Lunk1]

I don't like the idea of the VAR only cycle that alot of kids like to try. I like a Var/test cycle or even better a Test/Tren/Var

[gixxerboy1]

I don't like the idea of the VAR only cycle that alot of kids like to try. I like a Var/test cycle or even better a Test/Tren/Var

I agree with that. Var still suppress your natural test production.
And for the dose needed to get decent results, the pumps are brutal. So im pretty much useless. I cant do alot of things and any mma training or endurance is out the window. So im not a big fan.

[t-dogg]

I agree with that. Var still suppress your natural test production.
And for the dose needed to get decent results, the pumps are brutal. So im pretty much useless. I cant do alot of things and any mma training or endurance is out the window. So im not a big fan.

LOL, one hour of pad work for striking and I cant move my arms. Its sad and funny all in one.

[Lunk1]

I agree with that. Var still suppress your natural test production.
And for the dose needed to get decent results, the pumps are brutal. So im pretty much useless. I cant do alot of things and any mma training or endurance is out the window. So im not a big fan.

I think it is an OK finishing compound (there are better) but I agree the cost and sides/benifits is not good.

It is that steroid that kids want to abuse because they think its a diet pill or because they are afraid to pin.

[Phased]

People usually love it actually

But its a really pricy Aas

Exactly if used correctly by meaning dosed and stacked properly is one of the best orals in existence in my opinion.

[Ashop]

I think its a superb oral AAS when used correctly.

[songdog]

I love Var!!!!

[curioususer]

Oral anavar only cycle is stupid and pointless

[agh360]

Oral anavar only cycle is stupid and pointless

Why? When I wanted to start that's what I was looking into honestly. Why is it stupid? I personally don't want to start with a lot stuff, I want to "test the waters first" and it seemed like a good test..

[austinite]

Why? When I wanted to start that's what I was looking into honestly. Why is it stupid? I personally don't want to start with a lot stuff, I want to "test the waters first" and it seemed like a good test..

Did you mean to say... seemed like it lacked Test?

[gixxerboy1]

I never got the testing the waters. arguments. Just because you do ok on one type of drug means nothing on how you are going to react on another

[agh360]

What I meant to say is I was thinking of using this as my first time before using any of the more major things.

[gixxerboy1]

at 19 i wouldnt use anything.

[Bigshotvictoria]

What I meant to say is I was thinking of using this as my first time before using any of the more major things.

Between now and 25 years old there is one steroid that you can use, and it's best used in heavy doses. You won't need to cycle, just get on and stay on. It's called food. And the great thing is you can buy it at Safeway, and your mom won't ground you if she finds it!!!

Seriously. Food is better than steroids. Steroids don't work without the right amounts and kinds of foods. Don't tell me your diet is good. Mine isn't good, and I try my ass off to improve it evey day. Get into the nutrition forum, the guys there will have you packing on weight like you've never thought possible.

[agh360]

Between now and 25 years old there is one steroid that you can use, and it's best used in heavy doses. You won't need to cycle, just get on and stay on. It's called food. And the great thing is you can buy it at Safeway, and your mom won't ground you if she finds it!!!

Seriously. Food is better than steroids. Steroids don't work without the right amounts and kinds of foods. Don't tell me your diet is good. Mine isn't good, and I try my ass off to improve it evey day. Get into the nutrition forum, the guys there will have you packing on weight like you've never thought possible.

I never said when I'm gonna use. I'm 20 right now and studying fitness and health Promotion so I have a an idea about when to start using and the risks if you use young , and yes I agree that 25 and is a good starting time. I want to educate my self as much as I can about steroids early on so I know what I'm doing when the time comes.

[Lunk1]

I never said when I'm gonna use. I'm 20 right now and studying fitness and health Promotion so I have a an idea about when to start using and the risks if you use young , and yes I agree that 25 and is a good starting time. I want to educate my self as much as I can about steroids early on so I know what I'm doing when the time comes.

We welcome those that want to learn...happy hunting

[curioususer]

Why? When I wanted to start that's what I was looking into honestly. Why is it stupid? I personally don't want to start with a lot stuff, I want to "test the waters first" and it seemed like a good test..

cuz taking anavar only will shut you down HARD!!! Stop being a ***** and just pin yourself with either Test C or E.

[Bigshotvictoria]

cuz taking anavar only will shut you down HARD!!! Stop being a ***** and just pin yourself with either Test C or E.

Actually that's not necessarily true. Check out the steroid.com profile for var. pretty interesting stuff. Studies have shown that a daily dose of 20mg has no effect on HPTA function. There was another study done over 12 weeks at 60mg/day and resulted in an average shutdown of about 60%. Var is the easiest steroid in regards to HPTA function. I myself don't advocate a var only cycle, as everyone is different and you may be the guy it does completely shut down. But this is the reason many people in the know consider a var only cycle the only one that can be done without test. I'll see if I can pull up the studies so you know I'm not blowing smoke up your ass.

[Bigshotvictoria]

Actually that's not necessarily true. Check out the steroid.com profile for var. pretty interesting stuff. Studies have shown that a daily dose of 20mg has no effect on HPTA function. There was another study done over 12 weeks at 60mg/day and resulted in an average shutdown of about 60%. Var is the easiest steroid in regards to HPTA function. I myself don't advocate a var only cycle, as everyone is different and you may be the guy it does completely shut down. But this is the reason many people in the know consider a var only cycle the only one that can be done without test. I'll see if I can pull up the studies so you know I'm not blowing smoke up your ass.

On top of this he's 20. We're trying to tell him not to pin anything.

[gixxerboy1]

Actually that's not necessarily true. Check out the steroid.com profile for var. pretty interesting stuff. Studies have shown that a daily dose of 20mg has no effect on HPTA function. There was another study done over 12 weeks at 60mg/day and resulted in an average shutdown of about 60%. Var is the easiest steroid in regards to HPTA function. I myself don't advocate a var only cycle, as everyone is different and you may be the guy it does completely shut down. But this is the reason many people in the know consider a var only cycle the only one that can be done without test. I'll see if I can pull up the studies so you know I'm not blowing smoke up your ass.

Some of those are out dated. Some one posted a newer study the other day. On my phone to search for it is a pain

[warmouth]

cuz taking anavar only will shut you down HARD!!! Stop being a ***** and just pin yourself with either Test C or E.

Shut you down hard? Dang, that sounds rough. Good advice to give a 19 year old though.

[Bigshotvictoria]

Some of those are out dated. Some one posted a newer study the other day. On my phone to search for it is a pain

If you ever find it, message me the link please. Thanks.

[binsser]

cuz taking anavar only will shut you down HARD!!! Stop being a ***** and just pin yourself with either Test C or E.

you stupid or something?? dont pin **** all if you havent started mate study for a couple of years and dont listen to the newbie idiot above your in the right frame of mind buddy stay there a while then decide good luck!

[agh360]

you stupid or something?? dont pin **** all if you havent started mate study for a couple of years and dont listen to the newbie idiot above your in the right frame of mind buddy stay there a while then decide good luck!

That's the plan, I don't think this is something that you can rush into. And I have to admit their is so much to understand about the world of steroids.

[Lunk1]

That's the plan, I don't think this is something that you can rush into. And I have to admit their is so much to understand about the world of steroids.

I admire your level headedness and maturity at such a young age...stick around and absorb like a sponge and maybe you can offer some advise to some of the kids less mature than youself...Glad to have you here..

[Full_Auto]

I'm gonna run 20mg Anavar per day during weeks 7-10 of my current cycle, which is my first. Also running 500mg Test E per week (250x2)...Hoping to lower BF % towards the end of the cycle between the var and clean eating.

I don't think var is that expensive considering how well people claim it works...yeah it's more expensive than other options people mention but considering it's minimal sides, increased vascularity and fat burning potential, the price seems reasonable.

And yeah man, pinning is not that big a deal. Just need to prepare yourself with all ur supplies, AI & PCT products before hand and research alot, like u are. I learned an amazing amount of info from this website. You should be able to tell someone how to run THEIR first cycle before starting your own, at least.

Diet is VERY IMPORTANT on and off cycle, pre & post cycle. I'm still perfecting my diet, getting better at it little by little. I think the diet aspect is tougher to understand and execute than actually using the steroids. Diet, workout routine, & AAS all work together. And they all work together BETTER when u understand how to apply them to your current lifestyle correctly and efficiently. OTC supplements help as well....creatine, aminos, whey protein, fatty acids, multi, etc.

Good luck!

[gixxerboy1]

please edit the price out. And what you bought is about 10 days worth. your running a dose for a female and still using it too short of a period of time. Its not a weight lose pill.
Var should be used 60-100mgs daily and for 6 weeks.

[Full_Auto]

please edit the price out. And what you bought is about 10 days worth. your running a dose for a female and still using it too short of a period of time. Its not a weight lose pill.
Var should be used 60-100mgs daily and for 6 weeks.

not sure why the price would be incriminating at all, but the edit has been done.

i've been informed that 20-40mg/day of var for a first time user should be effective, and that 60-80mg/day for me would be a waste of money and unnecassary to see results, like overkill. however, women only need 10mg/day to see results.

i meant to type weeks 7-12 @ 20mg/day......not 7-10. that math doesn't even make sense. 20mg/day for 4 weeks would leave me with 22 pills left over, lol. i'm taking it all. sorry for the typo and confusion.

if i don't notice any noticable effects this time around, i'll bump up the dosage for my spring time cycle to 40mg. considering it's my first cycle and i'm not that tall, i think a low dosage would be effective for me.

http://www.steroid.com/Anavar.php

http://www.anabolicsteroidsguide.com...es/anavar.html

The rule of thumb is to take 0.125 mg/pound of body weight daily has proven successful in clinical tests.

to the OP....my point is the only hate for var is the price, but considering the pros & cons, i think the price is reasonable.

[gixxerboy1]

did you even read the link you posted

Due to its being a mild steroid in every sense of the word, high amounts of Anavar dosage are needed. It binds reasonably well to the AR, but pretty high doses are still needed and I would never suggest doing less than 20mgs/day. In fact, 20-80mgs are needed to start halting AIDS related wasting(1) and recovering weight for burn victims (2) so thats the range Id recommend keeping your dosages in concerning this compound. Personally, Id use 100mgs/day if I were ever going to try this stuff.

so the writer says they would use 100mg/ day. They also say it takes at least 20-80mg to see results on people wasting from aids. So you think a healthy person will get results from 20mg?
You have 10 guys here that have all used it before and are telling you its a waste at 20mg. But you have never used steroids before and read something that doesnt even agree with what your saying, Yet you believe it will work. Based on what? I never understand why people ask for help and opinions but have their mind made up already.

[Times Roman]

after doing a quick read of this thread, it's pretty easy to spot those that know what they are talking about and those that don't.

my advice is that if you do not have first hand personal experience, then you should not be giving advice. If your only source of information is what others tell you, then again, you shouldn't be giving advice.

for someone asking the question, it's hard to sort out the BS from the real information.

[jimmyinkedup]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=#post6171216

[Full_Auto]

i didn't ask for any help, lol

and yes, i did read the whole article, and read the "20-100mg" part you italicised and re-posted. you also reposted the part where he says "I would never suggest doing less than 20mgs/day" which is what i'm doing.

i'm just sharing how i feel about var with the OP, not asking for help from anyone. please point out where i "asked for help".

nor was i giving advice...just sharing what i am doing. i wasn't looking for approval from any of you. my original post was not replying to any other reply in this thread, it was simply my opinion on var to the OP. the only "advice" i gave was the importance of learning proper diet, and even then i said i'm still learning & perfecting in that area as well.

if 20mg/day doesn't work for me, i'll go to 40mg/day next time. if 40 doesn't work, then i'll try 60 and so on. why spend the money to use 60-100mg/day when all along 20-40mg would be sufficient. and hell, i may even buy another 50x20mg and run 40/day anyway. but at this point, my plan is to run 20mg/day. i'm not looking for astronomical results and veins popping out of my head.

how about before accusing someone of doing something, make sure they actually did it.

and honestly, i would say that someone who is "wasting away" would require a higher dosage to see results than a person who isn't "wasting away".

[austinite]

Might as well just drink a red bull every day instead. You'll feel that before you feel 20mg of var.

[DanB]

Might as well just drink a red bull every day instead. You'll feel that before you feel 20mg of var.

Agreed, i ran 40mg a few years ago and felt it was a waste of money

[Rwy]

I have only taken var once. Only took 40mg kinda feel like I should have doubled that. My lower back was always tight and it was uncomfortable and my knees hurt all the time.

[jimmyinkedup]

If you run var with test and tren at a dosage of 50mgs/day or higher while cutting ..you will have little hate for it. Its amazing with tren...you almost cant help but recomp with that stack.
Of note: you need a good ugl source or pharma if possible. A lot of ugl's sell winny as var.