FIRST CYCLE HELP Test Prop, Tren Ace, Eq, Hcg+nolva?

[MikeX18]

Hey guys been lifting for about eight years now and planning my first AAS cycle!

I want to have a nice lean bulk heading towards winter, this is my cycle so far: (MUCH ADVICE/GUIDENCE needed!)

Test Prop 10ml: Mon, Wed, Fri: 1cc (100mgs) totals 300mgs per week, Lasts about 3 weeks

Tren Ace 10ml: Mon, Wed, Fri: 1cc (100mgs) totals 300mgs per week, Lasts about 3 weeks

EQ 10ml: Mon, Wed, Fri: 1cc (250mgs) totals 750mgs per week, Lasts about 3 weeks
On the first monday of this week (the 3rd week) (last week of cycle)
i will begin HCG 1,000 iu EOD for approx. 20 days.

Is this a good cycle? is it too short? too high a dose? IWHERE SHALL I INCORPORATE THE NOLVADEX? DURING THE CYCLE OR PCT??? Much help needed any/all comments appreciated!!!!!!!

[stpete]

One of the worst ideas i've heard. Stick around and do some research. Start w/ Steroid Profiles found on the Homepage. Then you need to read all the Stickies and Educational Threads. You will get absolutely nothing(except a headache and limp di*k) from this.

Good Luck

[hyphy_beast]

one of the worst ideas i've heard. Stick around and do some research. Start w/ steroid profiles found on the homepage. Then you need to read all the stickies and educational threads. You will get absolutely nothing(except a headache and limp di*k) from this.

Good luck

x10!^^^

[MikeX18]

okay, do you have any sudgestions as to what i should change?

[AXx]

okay, do you have any sudgestions as to what i should change?

Change a lot brother. Check out the stickies StPete talked about. Welcome aboard.

[SportbikerKid]

okay, do you have any sudgestions as to what i should change?

Everything. Back to the drawing board, man. Do a little bit of research, and don't just randomly throw chemicals together.

Honestly, what you got is so bad, that we can't even critique it.

Research how long you should run each compound, how much of each chemical you should run on top of how much of a test base. What PCT is for. General PCT timing and dosage. Other sides that you must deal with, and what a general first cycle consists of.

[MikeX18]

okay thanks guys ill keep on the research! this was actually a cycle i was informed by a long time user as a great cycle. What i put together was the pct being the hcg and maybe running nolvadex the whole time, however i will do more research thanks for saving my ass guys lol

[stpete]

Stop listening to that long time user for starters. No one does a 3 week cycle. No one should run tren till they have a few cycles under their belt. Tren is for advanced users and has some, if not, the worst sides known to man.

Your PCT questions can be answered in the PCT Forum. Read those stickies as all your answers lie there.

Take your time and read them more than once if you have to. This is very important to your health.

Good Luck

[MikeX18]

Thank you stpete!

[MikeX18]

Okay guys did my research, what do you think of this for a FIRST CYCLE:

About a 9 week cycle give or take, PCT goes for 4 weeks

Test and NPP: 400mg/wk (1cc test eod) (.7cc NPP eod)
Nolvadex 20 mg/day (not sure if i will need to run in pct too because of the adex)

PCT (3 days after last injection)

HCG week 1-2 1,000iu eod
Clomid week 1-4 (3 caps for first 5 days, 2 for next 5 days, then one a day until finished)
Arimidex week 1-4 1/2 tab ed

How does this look?

[BlueWaffle21]

Yet again!!!!

Start here if you’re under 24:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...**-(GOOD-READ)

First Cycle Protocol

Test E or C for 12 weeks at 500mg per week. The 500mg is split between 2 shots that are 3.5 days apart, so Monday morning and Thursday evening for example.

Please see this thread by jimmyinkedup for further explanation:
http://forums.steroid.com/showpost.p...59&postcount=5

You want to run and AI from day 1 of your cycle to control estrogen levels. You can use Arimidex or Aromasin to do so.

Please see this thread by Swifto for more info:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n-cycle-Swifto

Proper PCT is needed to return your natural testosterone levels back to normal. This will involve the use of Clomid, which is up for debate with Atomini, and Nolvadex. Clomid is dosed at 100/50/50/50 per week and Nolvadex is dosed at 40/20/20/20
per week.

For more information regarding PCT start times:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94822

For more information regarding proper PCT:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...y-Steroid.com-)

HCG can be incorporated into your cycle and how to do so is debatable also. Most vets recommend 250 IU every 3.5 days starting in the second week up until the start of your PCT.

For more info please read Swifto’s HCG thread:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...mportant-is-it

Now that you have done some research, come up with a cycle and the forum will be happy to critique it for you and provide and adjustments needed.

[austinite]

Okay guys did my research, what do you think of this for a FIRST CYCLE:

About a 9 week cycle give or take, PCT goes for 4 weeks

Test and NPP: 400mg/wk (1cc test eod) (.7cc NPP eod)
Nolvadex 20 mg/day (not sure if i will need to run in pct too because of the adex)

PCT (3 days after last injection)

HCG week 1-2 1,000iu eod
Clomid week 1-4 (3 caps for first 5 days, 2 for next 5 days, then one a day until finished)
Arimidex week 1-4 1/2 tab ed

How does this look?

No good.

What are your FULL stats and training history?

[< <Samson> >]

I don't know what's up with local juicers giving insane advice. First guy suggested I take 500mg of test per week with 500mg of deca < ummm, no

2nd one said I only need 250mg once a week of Sustanon. < Again, no


Follow just what the waffle said.

[Lunk1]

I don't know what's up with local juicers giving insane advice. First guy suggested I take 500mg of test per week with 500mg of deca < ummm, no

2nd one said I only need 250mg once a week of Sustanon. < Again, no


Follow just what the waffle said.

They are drug dealers and therefore they are 100% profit driven. The only best interest they have in mind is their wallets.

[Bigshotvictoria]

They are drug dealers and therefore they are 100% profit driven. The only best interest they have in mind is their wallets.

Yet people are always ready to believe what the dealer says. Unfortunately that's the problem with criminalizing gear. It's driven into the same hands that sell meth and crack.

Op,
I know it wasnt clearly stated, but when the guys say you need to do more research, they mean A LOT more. Days, weeks, months even. Make sure you know exactly what your putting into your body so that you can maximize your gains and minimize the risk.

[< <Samson> >]

They are drug dealers and therefore they are 100% profit driven. The only best interest they have in mind is their wallets.

I guess so, selling the smack they have on hand.

[wannabe_ninja]

okay, do you have any sudgestions as to what i should change?

Research everything, education is king in this field. 1st cycle test only, try 500-600mgs a week for 8-10 weeks. See how your body reacts. Learn from the guys who know. Ask questions. Never assume. Read, read, read until you know it by heart. Read about your cycle, your pct, what sides to look for. Everything under the sun. Serms, AI's every possible contingence. Diet is key, you can pin all the compounds in the world but if your diet and training is out of whack then all you'll get is an empty bank account and a pair of tits.

[ledz]

/agree
Do not pin anything you have not researched thoroughly.

[warmouth]

Research everything, education is king in this field. 1st cycle test only, try 500-600mgs a week for 8-10 weeks. See how your body reacts. Learn from the guys who know. Ask questions. Never assume. Read, read, read until you know it by heart. Read about your cycle, your pct, what sides to look for. Everything under the sun. Serms, AI's every possible contingence. Diet is key, you can pin all the compounds in the world but if your diet and training is out of whack then all you'll get is an empty bank account and a pair of tits.

Or just get married.

[MikeX18]

Okay so i informed my doctor about how ive been feeling lately (very tired all the time, no energy, way less sex drive etc.) we did a whole bunch or blood work and my test levels are low fluctulating between 3 and 400. He reccomended before jumping on testosterone i take HCG for 20 days 1,000 iu (1cc) eod with nolvadex 20mg (1 tab) everyday. I just finished this cycle and my energy increased, sex drive increased, balls slightly larger, and strength significantly improved. I never want to come off this stuff!!If hcg improved my strength and energy i cant image how testosterone will make me feel, so heres what i have in mind

About a 9 week cycle give or take, PCT goes for 4 weeks

Test prop and NPP: 400mg/wk (1cc test eod) (.7cc NPP eod)
arimidex: 1/2 tab every day
Caber: no idea on dosing!!

PCT (3 days after last injection )

HCG week 1-3 1,000iu eod (lasts 20 days (3 weeks))
Clomid week 1-4 (3 caps for first 5 days, 2 for next 5 days, then one a day until finished)


How does this look?

[< <Samson> >]

300-400 is within acceptable range.

[AdrenalineJunkie]

This whole thing sounds like trouble. The fact that you say "no idea on dosing" tells me you have no idea about the substance and most of your cycle in general.

Its good you're feeling better but first off, do you really even know what hcg is? Whats your reasoning for running prop your first time (I guess I'm asking if you know why or just going off what other people have done or you've read)? Do you actually understand what each of those substances do and how to plan them together?

It's sounds like you had one good experience from the doctor and are now getting carried away and in over your head too quickly. Coming here saying "i want to do all of this now, hows it look?" wont get you anywhere. There is nothing wrong with asking questions but you need to research and start asking the right ones so you understand what youre doing. What if some jackass just said "looks great" after your first post? You wouldn't have been any the wiser and that will get you in trouble. Or be a total waste (ex. you first said eq for 3 weeks, that wont do a thing! The half life of eq is that long!)

People are here to help you learn and educate yourself, not make your decisions for you. Start reading (research!!, not just peoples experiences/cycles). Patience is key, take your time. Rushing is only going to lead to cut corners and mistakes.

[MikeX18]

I have been doing my research since my first post because i had no idea what to take or how much or anything! i was talking to a juicer and he told me to try that as a cycle to up my test so i decided to be smart and ask about it first and thank god i did. I didnt realize how intriquite taking testosterone really is! Until i did some research and came across a few things i saw a doctor asked him what i should do, after blood work the first step was hcg and yes i odviously know what it is, just because i posted a shit cycle not knowing much about steroids doesnt make me a moron and im going to put random shit in my body, it makes me uneducated. Since then i realized how stupid and horribe my first cycle was and came up with what seems to me to be a realitivly safe and easy cycle. The reason i say i dont know the caber dosing is because i do not know how to dose it pertaining to this exact cycle. maybe i need to use more caber at 400mgs maybe less i dont know i dont have any experience thats why im asking. I finished my hcg and the next step is testosterone so i did some research on steroids and this is what i find to be a safe cycle and im asking the experienced any advise on the exact cycle im posting. Thank you for your input and advise

[MikeX18]

from the doctors stand point 400 was okay a few years back it actually 500 but over the years it continues to fall 500...400...300 so my doctor says we need to do something about it and im all for it!!!!