Austinite's 22 Week Cycle - Test | Primo | Tren | Mast | Var

[Sergino]

My father worked for german pharmacys 12 years... he confirmed that doens't exist any oxandrolone Bayer
maybe it's why am not american that i can't say that...

showthread.php?466831-Bayer-Oxandrolone-is-fake-but-is-oxandrolone#.UHAfppgmTRQ


"Before you ask, yes, they are fake. We couldn't believe when we've seen them. We have seen fake Russian dbols in bottles, fake Zambon winny tabs in pouches, fake Organon Testosterone in multi-vials. Unfortunately this Bayer Schering Pharma is very good fake so average gymrat will be mislead. Bayer never make any of these products !
I wouldn't buy it.
"

deal with it

[austinite]

^ great. real or fake, one way to find out. Luckily, more Scirrox var is on hand . Thanks for the input.

[Sergino]

no problem, i only want to help you to not waste time with that var
cheers

[Buster Brown]

At this point, we should probably let the whole gear discussion go. Let's learn from a guy who has alot more experience than most and be happy we have access to his experience. Just my .02 cents!

[baseline_9]

Love the way you have laid all of this out.... It looks great, reads easy and man I think this cycle is going to be amazing....

Good luck

[austinite]

Love the way you have laid all of this out.... It looks great, reads easy and man I think this cycle is going to be amazing....

Good luck

Thank you baseline! I've been really looking into your 5.5 day carb-less diet for my cutting phase. Very intriguing!

[austinite]

Days 1 through 7:
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Injections:

Day 1: 3CC's in each quad. Dropped the B12 to 750iu to avoid a 3rd injection. Smooth as ice.
Day 2: 1CC B12 into left forearm.
Day 3: 2 CC's primo into left delt, 2 CC's primo/B12 into right delt.
Day 4: 3 CC test/tren/B12. All in left lat.
Day 5: 4 CC total primo/B12. 2CC's in each trap.
Day 6: 1 CC B12 into right forearm.
Day 7: 4 CC's total Primo/B12. 3 CC into right lat and 1 CC into right glute (Yes, I hit the glute! - all the injections made that decision easy, figured I'd start with B12 for a smooth injection)

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Gear effects:
-- Nothing yet. Slight discomfort in right trap.

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Typical Daily Diet:

Meal 1: 1 cup egg whites with Turkey Burger patty. 2 slices of Ezeiel Bread. 1/2 cup oats with Almond milk.
Meal 2: Two 8 ounce cans of tuna, 1/4 cup shredded mozzarella, 1/4 cup spinach, 1/2 cup cottage cheese, lite honey mustard dressing.
Meal 3: Spinach Pasta w/ Turkey. Featured here: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n#.UHBGZJjA_wk
Meal 4: Chicken breast with 1 cup brown rice and peas mixed in. Seasoned only with garlic salt.
Meal 5: Ribeye Steak with steamed Broccoli and Cauliflower.
Meal 6: Salad (mixed greens) with almonds, boiled egg whites & chicken breast.
Meal 7: Smoked Salmon with capers.
Snacks throughout: Cottage cheese with strawberries and other berries. 1 Banana. Brown Rice cakes with Almond butter.
Liquid intake: 1 gallon of water and 3 liters of Diet green tea daily.

Of course the above varied from day to day. But It's quite typical.

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AM weigh ins:

Weigh in on day 1: 199 lbs (natty cut from 201 in 2 weeks)
Weigh in on day 2: 201 lbs
Weigh in on day 3: 201 lbs
Weigh in on day 4: 202 lbs
Weigh in on day 5: 204 lbs
Weigh in on day 6: 205 lbs
Weigh in on day 7: 204 lbs

Notes: I hate the bulking phase. Obviously the 5 lbs are not all muscle -- Really can't wait till I can cut again. I have a Bod Pod scheduled at the end of the month, but now I'm considering going earlier, possibly twice a month. The results will certainly help me adjust diet and cardio routine.

Speaking of cardio. Because I've been eating so much, I found myself naturally heading over to the treadmill more often than ever. I'm still doing my 60 minutes fasted AM cardio, but when I get to the gym at night, I go straight to the treadmill for a 20 minute run. Then I hit the free weights and go back to the treadmill for another 30 minutes. ARGH!

Crazy me. So mid February would be around the prime time of my cut. I figured by then I will be pretty tired of this cycle. So to keep the cutting phase motivational, I went ahead and signed up for the 2013 Austin Live Strong Marathon. This will be February 17, 2013. I've never run a marathon and never run 26 miles. But I have done 14 miles on a treadmill. So I think I may have a chance. Something to look forward to at least.

Injury: Hurt my shoulder a couple days ago. Picking up grocery bags of all things. Feel like I'm getting old. I had 5 bags of groceries in my passenger seat. Grabbed all of them and had to lift over the center console. Felt a little discomfort but didn't really think much of it. It was an off day from the gym. The next day I felt a bit of strain. Picked up 70 lb dumbbells for a press, threw them up and POP goes my shoulder. I dropped the weights, re-racked and decided not to go forward. I was very upset. Had plenty of energy. Started to walk towards the exit and I just couldn't leave. So I just used the machines at lighter weights. Probably shouldn't have. I know better. Asiandude already lectured me, so let it go!

No notable increase in strength. Workouts have been pretty standard so really not much to report. Chest day was crap due to the shoulder. Ab workouts are not as fun with this many calories.

With Tren E, I expect my night sweats to start mid to late next week. So the following weekly update will most likely have some sides to report.

All medications have been taken on schedule. Pills are like clock work for me. After reading Atomini's Magnesium post, I decided to up the dose from 500 to 1000mg ED. Also after talking to gearbox, increased Vit. C to 3000 ED.

Lastly, I've been looking for a supplement that contains both L-cysteine and L-arginine. Seems like that is an impossible task. Luckily, Times Roman helped point me in the right direction to get the powders. So I will be making my own tabs and using them daily, pre workout. I have a capsule press machine that I used way back in the day and tons of size 1 capsules.

I will update with Bod Pod results soon.

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

Hope you recover from that injury brotha so you can continue training!

You're expecting to feel the effects of the Tren E already in week 2? I have no experience with Tren E, just wondering if you felt it quicker then Test E. Test E usually takes me about 4-5 weeks to feel!

[austinite]

Hope you recover from that injury brotha so you can continue training!

You're expecting to feel the effects of the Tren E already in week 2? I have no experience with Tren E, just wondering if you felt it quicker then Test E. Test E usually takes me about 4-5 weeks to feel!

thanks bro. Shoulder feels much better already.

No strength effects from Tren E in week 2, but night sweats come on very quickly for me. Strength will be up in week 6 to 7 for me and my chest spiderwebs with veins in week 9 or so. Test E is the same, takes 7 weeks to feel anything.

[Live for the PUMP]

Wow you know how to make one heck of a professional log! You must have a little artist in you. Looking forward to watching your progress.

[austinite]

Wow you know how to make one heck of a professional log! You must have a little artist in you. Looking forward to watching your progress.

LOL. Trust me im no artist Thanks Live. Appreciated! Gonna ease up on that diet. I'm gaining too fast and certainly not quality. Good thing the length of the cycle allows a little room for error.

[ineedauser]

I love this thread. Excellent reads.

[ineedauser]

If you said it already, I'm sorry.


But when do you take all your pill supplements? The zinc, magnesium, etc... You get them all from GNC/Vitamin Shop or something?

[t-dogg]

Subbed!

[austinite]

If you said it already, I'm sorry.


But when do you take all your pill supplements? The zinc, magnesium, etc... You get them all from GNC/Vitamin Shop or something?

Hey man. I did not mention it...

B12 (IM) Rhodiola DHEA D3 Pregnenalone Omega 3 Metformin Crestor NAC Indapamide Magnesium Vitamin E Zinc Vitamin C

Mixed in with injections AM: After meal 1. AM: After meal 1. AM: After meal 1. AM: After meal 1. 3 times daily. Morning, Afternoon & Night. PM After meal 6. PM After meal 6. PM: After meal 6. AM: After meal 1 3 times daily. Morning, Afternoon & Night. AM & PM - Always with Omega 3 to protect fatty acids AM: After meal 1 3 times daily. Morning, Afternoon & Night.

Thank you for the kind words above!

[diabolicsoul]

Perhaps it has been answered in the previous pages. but, aren't those b12 injections a little much? I always thought you injected once a week for a month or two and then you would inject once a month? I am asking because I picked some up.

Cycle looks great! huge gains are sure to be made!

[austinite]

Perhaps it has been answered in the previous pages. but, aren't those b12 injections a little much? I always thought you injected once a week for a month or two and then you would inject once a month? I am asking because I picked some up.

Cycle looks great! huge gains are sure to be made!

Hey diabolic. The B12 protocol you mentioned is something your doctor would order and most likely assuming you're on a maintenance diet and of course, not cycling. I do once a week when I'm off cycle. When bulking and all geared up, I can run plenty of B12 to counter some issues such as depression, appetite, etc. which become amplified on cycle for me. I feel much better, a better quality of life if you will. So adequate absorption is necessary.

[Buster Brown]

Hey Austinite, I heard you mention you were going to drop back your calories a tad and I think that is wise. I've had a theory that I was thinking of trying employ in my next cycle and that is to actually start the first week of the cycle (lean bulk say) at maintenance and then increase 100 or so calories a week hoping that at around week 5 (500 calorie surplus at this point which would be my personal limit) the cycle would be fully kicked in (long esther) and those calories at that point would be utilized. If it takes 600 calories to build a lb. of muscle, and the first few weeks you gain say 3 lbs. a week; there has to be some flub/water in there. I would bet that most guys put on there bad weight at the beginning of the cycle. Hope the shoulder heals up quickly for you.

[OdinsOtherSon]

Hey diabolic. The B12 protocol you mentioned is something your doctor would order and most likely assuming you're on a maintenance diet and of course, not cycling. I do once a week when I'm off cycle. When bulking and all geared up, I can run plenty of B12 to counter some issues such as depression, appetite, etc. which become amplified on cycle for me. I feel much better, a better quality of life if you will. So adequate absorption is necessary.

Hey Austinite; wanted to get your take on the B12 product offered by the forum's sponsor. Is there a specific difference or reason one would/should obtain their B12 via their doc vs the sponsor's product?

[austinite]

Hey Austinite, I heard you mention you were going to drop back your calories a tad and I think that is wise. I've had a theory that I was thinking of trying employ in my next cycle and that is to actually start the first week of the cycle (lean bulk say) at maintenance and then increase 100 or so calories a week hoping that at around week 5 (500 calorie surplus at this point which would be my personal limit) the cycle would be fully kicked in (long esther) and those calories at that point would be utilized. If it takes 600 calories to build a lb. of muscle, and the first few weeks you gain say 3 lbs. a week; there has to be some flub/water in there. I would bet that most guys put on there bad weight at the beginning of the cycle. Hope the shoulder heals up quickly for you.

Yes, that is actually a smart way of doing it. The cleaner I can do this now the easier my cutting phase will be. The main concern for me when these esters kick in, is that they don't seem to shed any weight for me. Tren pretty much prevents fat gains for me, but even as powerful as it is in the nutrient partitioning department, I still have to do most of the work. At the end of the day... if I have to extend the cycle a couple weeks, so be it. I can't wait to cut.

Anyway, I decided to bulk on a 300 calories increase. And I will also be using LBM vs BMR to for a TDEE number. The difference is wild, nearly a 1000 calories. I've never used LBM x 15. Seems low. This would put my bulk at near 3000 calories. Vs. the 4000 I'm doing now. It's going to take longer, but hey... like you said, nothing compares to slow gains. Luckily there is enough time to make changes like this.

Thanks for the last comment, my shoulder is all set and feel great today. Did back yesterday and very aggressively. No issues at all.

[austinite]

Hey Austinite; wanted to get your take on the B12 product offered by the forum's sponsor. Is there a specific difference or reason one would/should obtain their B12 via their doc vs the sponsor's product?

I get it from AR-R. Never considered getting from the doc. I only get Testosterone and Anastrozole from the doc. Mainly for the AI because of the guaranteed quality, but also use my prescription Cyp vials to refill with my stuff for travelling purposes. I'm sure cost would be the main concern here, but AR-R's stuff is really inexpensive, comes in a 30ml vial and is here in days

that said, the doc will probably not give you a B12 prescription. The protocol a standard doc gives you for B12 treatments is so spread out. They frontload you, and after a couple visits you end up getting shots once a month, then once ever 3 months. So they simply request you go in for the injection. Not cheap and time consuming. Hope that helps.

[t-dogg]

Great read, didnt get to read yesterday. Looking forward to this.

[austinite]

Great read, didnt get to read yesterday. Looking forward to this.

Thanks t-dogg, much appreciated bro.

[OdinsOtherSon]

Thanks austinite. Hope your cycle is off to a rousing start....looking forward to this as well.

[ineedauser]

B12 injections really do that much for people?


And you don't like quad injections because of PIP or actual pain of injections?

[austinite]

B12 injections really do that much for people?


And you don't like quad injections because of PIP or actual pain of injections?

I have no problem with quads. I also do not believe in "PIP".

[ineedauser]

So... Can you comment on my thread I just updated? My Test E log?

[austinite]

So... Can you comment on my thread I just updated? My Test E log?

sure thing... where is it?

[OdinsOtherSon]

sure thing... where is it?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...est-E-only-log.

[Sergino]

Austinite can you tell me why you have eliminated protein shaker?
thank you

[austinite]

Austinite can you tell me why you have eliminated protein shaker?
thank you

I don't want my protein source to be from shakes. Or carbs either. Especially if those carb sources are dextrose, maltodextrin, and/or any type of fructose or lactose. I prefer to just eat real food.

[Sergino]

thank you, i think the same since couple of months, only real food, sometimes a shaker post wo...
bye

[< <Samson> >]

I don't want my protein source to be from shakes. Or carbs either. Especially if those carb sources are dextrose, maltodextrin, and/or any type of fructose or lactose. I prefer to just eat real food.

I completely agree. . . I just don't think I can go 100% protein from real food sources. I am down to one shake per day about 5 days a week. The powders do serve some purpose. They are absorbed fast from what I know.

[austinite]

I completely agree. . . I just don't think I can go 100% protein from real food sources. I am down to one shake per day about 5 days a week. The powders do serve some purpose. They are absorbed fast from what I know.

sure. Most schedules dont allow for so many meals and shakes do get you through the day. I would just keep it to a minimum and use carb free isolate, if its a must.

[Trying-Hard]

austinite, so you have any issues with injecting B12 and test in the same syringe?

[austinite]

austinite, so you have any issues with injecting B12 and test in the same syringe?

No issues at all. Ive mixed it with just about everything.

[Trying-Hard]

Thanks bro. I am going to start taking 1000 mcgs/wk to see if I can find more energy. That sure looks like a low dose compared to you, lol.

Keep at it...

[austinite]

Thanks bro. I am going to start taking 1000 mcgs/wk to see if I can find more energy. That sure looks like a low dose compared to you, lol.

Keep at it...

You'll have fun with it. It's like a lava lamp and you'll see the red juice fly through the pin unlike the slowness of oil.

[Far from massive]

Really glad to hear the shoulder is back on track, I had a major set back with both my shoulders about 5 yrs ago and believe me it can be annoying as hell to come back from as you use them soo much in day to day life.

Also agree with you 100% on PIP, I absolutely love pinning 2.5 mls in my delts. The stretching of the fascia feels great, wish I could achieve that same result with other larger muscle groups.

Have yet to pin B12 had considered it just never got around to ordering any....now with you lava lamp analogy I know I gotta commit to the process ;-)

[ineedauser]

So then please check out my thread so I don't accidentally hijack this one. Link is a few posts back made by Odinsotherson