21 Year Old 1st-ish Cycle

[Wazz]

-1- So what's the goal? Example: lose weight, gain lean muscle ect..?

- 2- What's your diet like? example: how many meals, what do you eat? Give us an avg. day.

-3- When do you plan to start 1st cycle?

-4- w/ medical condition do you plan to bring our Doc into the loop (no wrong answer, docs differ)?

[Lunk1]

How do these things always slip off track??????

[warmouth]

Its an open forum pal. I can, and now will post as much as I possibly can. Actually, I am about to go to bed, but I will be back tommorrow. You just dont know how it works around here yet, but you will So do me a favor and keep reporting on every post. This site actually has a staff that gets annoyed by stuff like this. And again, I am just giving some advice to you. When you report on this site, it doesnt just go to an automated robot, it goes to staff who can get frustrated buy newbies who get offended by solid advice. But add another one to this, and Good Luck!

[21yearsold]

-1- So what's the goal? Example: lose weight, gain lean muscle ect..?
Lose weight, gain muscle, gain 6-pack and lean "Thor" look. Yes I said it again.


- 2- What's your diet like? example: how many meals, what do you eat? Give us an avg. day.
Before Monday... Pretty bad. Wasn't always like that, just got worse over this year tremendously because of increased appetite and suspected increased e2 levels.


-3- When do you plan to start 1st cycle?
Hopefully as soon as I get ALL tests done and ALL work done for diagnosis/comprehension of what's going on. Need to visit a urologist and test for E2 I've been made aware of this because of TRT. Will do both then probably wait a couple months out on this until I feel like I've got a stable basis then use the extra bottle of Test I have because of the first Endo I went to that prescribed me it before I switched physicians. Will probably supplement 300-400mg of that on top of the 100mg perscription I got from my new dr. until that runs out. Unfortunately, I am not sure how (other than double visiting doctors) to get test so at that point I would be looking to switch into the Anavar/Other recommendations.

-4- w/ medical condition do you plan to bring our Doc into the loop (no wrong answer, docs differ)?

What is your opinion? Should I?

[Lunk1]

21...at this point cycling steroids just isn't in the best interest of your health. Someday perhaps and we/I will be glad to assist. At this point I would respectfully ask that you no longer post or respond to this thread and concentrate on the TRT one.

Due to the medical issues it's highly unlikely that anyone will give you advise or a green light until everything you have going on is diagnosedand dealt with.

I see that progresss is continuing in TRT and I am assuming you have some important phone calls to make first thing in the a.m.

Best of luck!

[21yearsold]

Its an open forum pal. I can, and now will post as much as I possibly can. Actually, I am about to go to bed, but I will be back tommorrow. You just dont know how it works around here yet, but you will So do me a favor and keep reporting on every post. This site actually has a staff that gets annoyed by stuff like this. And again, I am just giving some advice to you. When you report on this site, it doesnt just go to an automated robot, it goes to staff who can get frustrated buy newbies who get offended by solid advice. But add another one to this, and Good Luck!

You act nothing like any 30 year old I know. It's almost amusing watching your immaturity at your age. Sweet dreams kid.

[21yearsold]

21...at this point cycling steroids just isn't in the best interest of your health. Someday perhaps and we/I will be glad to assist. At this point I would respectfully ask that you no longer post or respond to this thread and concentrate on the TRT one.

Due to the medical issues it's highly unlikely that anyone will give you advise or a green light until everything you have going on is diagnosedand dealt with.

I see that progresss is continuing in TRT and I am assuming you have some important phone calls to make first thing in the a.m.

Best of luck!

I respectfully decline your advice. Thanks anyways.

[warmouth]

How do these things always slip off track??????

Oops! One more report for the night. Sorry OP, I know I must be keeping you busy. But Lunk, before I go to bed I got to run this by you. First, we need Cape in here for this one, lol. He might have alot of fun. Second, we need LoveBytes in here to give one of his now famous predictions. Anyways, Ill holler at you guys tommorrow, as I have to get up and work like a big boy to pay the bills and pay for my TRT Thats like 5 reports, 5 more coming tommorrow. Good night guys and Ill be seeing yall tommorrow. P.S. - wish me luck, as the guy working with me lost his grandmother today and I dont know what to say or do. They were very close and I am at a loss. I tried to get him to take tommorrow off to be with family, but he feels work would be better for him. Just wish me luck so I can be sympathetic and a good listener(if he wants to talk about it). See you guy tommorrow!

[Wazz]

I have notice how you despise stupid saying on the boards. Ive been watching you

LoL, correct!

21, I'd highly recommend you stop reporting Warmouth. Just some non-bais advise, but if I were admin & came to this thread to investigate. Those posts of you being "snippy" in all caps & pushing the fact you will continue to report will not go over in your favor.

The rules haven't been broken.

[21yearsold]

Oops! One more report for the night. Sorry OP, I know I must be keeping you busy. But Lunk, before I go to bed I got to run this by you. First, we need Cape in here for this one, lol. He might have alot of fun. Second, we need LoveBytes in here to give one of his now famous predictions. Anyways, Ill holler at you guys tommorrow, as I have to get up and work like a big boy to pay the bills and pay for my TRT Thats like 5 reports, 5 more coming tommorrow. Good night guys and Ill be seeing yall tommorrow. P.S. - wish me luck, as the guy working with me lost his grandmother today and I dont know what to say or do. They were very close and I am at a loss. I tried to get him to take tommorrow off to be with family, but he feels work would be better for him. Just wish me luck so I can be sympathetic and a good listener(if he wants to talk about it). See you guy tommorrow!

Just because you have cred here doesn't mean you get to violate forum rules. Reported again.

[Lunk1]

I respectfully decline your advice. Thanks anyways.

I'll be damned...not quite the response I expected! Had to shake my head a bit!!!

Hell have at it I guess...Ill check back in the morn to see who is still standing and who gets banned lol.

Best of luck DING DING!

[Lunk1]

Oops! One more report for the night. Sorry OP, I know I must be keeping you busy. But Lunk, before I go to bed I got to run this by you. First, we need Cape in here for this one, lol. He might have alot of fun. Second, we need LoveBytes in here to give one of his now famous predictions. Anyways, Ill holler at you guys tommorrow, as I have to get up and work like a big boy to pay the bills and pay for my TRT Thats like 5 reports, 5 more coming tommorrow. Good night guys and Ill be seeing yall tommorrow. P.S. - wish me luck, as the guy working with me lost his grandmother today and I dont know what to say or do. They were very close and I am at a loss. I tried to get him to take tommorrow off to be with family, but he feels work would be better for him. Just wish me luck so I can be sympathetic and a good listener(if he wants to talk about it). See you guy tommorrow!

Peace and hair grease...I'm right behind ya (not literally)

[Tron3219]

I'll be damned...not quite the response I expected! Had to shake my head a bit!!!

Hell have at it I guess...Ill check back in the morn to see who is still standing and who gets banned lol.

Best of luck DING DING!

I've been lurking this thread, interesting, very...

But as I read I respectfully decline your advice, it furrowed my brow and I thought, hmm how's lunk going to respond to this...

...ur response got a awfully loud literal LOL

[marcus300]

You can achieve your goals without supplementing your trt, just get your test levels back to were they should be for someone your age and you will be able to achieve your goals. I wouldn't add further hormones when you have been struggling and feeling like you have just take direction from your endo and DONT add more androgens. Diet and training along side your trt is all you need....................

[Wazz]

21...at this point cycling steroids just isn't in the best interest of your health. Someday perhaps and we/I will be glad to assist. At this point I would respectfully ask that you no longer post or respond to this thread and concentrate on the TRT one.

Due to the medical issues it's highly unlikely that anyone will give you advise or a green light until everything you have going on is diagnosedand dealt with.

I see that progresss is continuing in TRT and I am assuming you have some important phone calls to make first thing in the a.m.

Best of luck!

21, I know you respectfully decline this advise but I am saying the exact same! Look, you're arguing w/ an established member attempting to down him by saying "kid"? Like it or not he is our elder & yes even I will reset my elders & I'm 35. It's hw I was raised.

Lunks advise is solid! I remember like yesterday what 21 was like (& you will at 35 too), but if you don't listen to these guys then you very well might have even more serious consequences when you are older. Believe me you will not want that. You should read about how many guys would go back & not touch AAS until ready.

I always try to step back & stay positive, only offer advise I'm solid on & know. You won't see me offer up info I haven't tried, or would try myself. Nobody on this thread has posted anything in a way of bad advise. You only get one body..

[21yearsold]

21, I know you respectfully decline this advise but I am saying the exact same! Look, you're arguing w/ an established member attempting to down him by saying "kid"? Like it or not he is our elder & yes even I will reset my elders & I'm 35. It's hw I was raised.

Lunks advise is solid! I remember like yesterday what 21 was like (& you will at 35 too), but if you don't listen to these guys then you very well might have even more serious consequences when you are older. Believe me you will not want that. You should read about how many guys would go back & not touch AAS until ready.

I always try to step back & stay positive, only offer advise I'm solid on & know. You won't see me offer up info I haven't tried, or would try myself. Nobody on this thread has posted anything in a way of bad advise. You only get one body..

I wasn't downing Lunk. I was spitting at War. He's a troll and he's 30...

IDK if you were thinking about Lunk and said that he is your elder. I said I declined his advice not because I'm GOING to take anavar. Just because I'm GOING to continue posting in my own thread. Having a member tell me not to do that seems counter-intuitive to the reason I posted.

[warmouth]

You can achieve your goals without supplementing your trt, just get your test levels back to were they should be for someone your age and you will be able to achieve your goals. I wouldn't add further hormones when you have been struggling and feeling like you have just take direct from your endo and DONT add more androgens. Diet and training along side your trt is all you need....................

Thank you Marcus for getting in here on this. I was going to bed and saw you had posted. The OP has reported me over 5 time for giving sound advice and saying I am breaking the rules. Since you are here to investigate, please read over my thread to makes sure this isnt the case, as I have never, and will never flame anyone, ever! I just dont like being told I am getting reported over and over for actually giving advice based on my experience. Ill get reported for this post too Thank you Marcus!

[warmouth]

Good night guys. I am out this time for sure. Wazz..........Imma watching you and all your slang terms, lol.

[Wazz]

I wasn't downing Lunk. I was spitting at War. He's a troll and he's 30...

IDK if you were thinking about Lunk and said that he is your elder. I said I declined his advice not because I'm GOING to take anavar. Just because I'm GOING to continue posting in my own thread. Having a member tell me not to do that seems counter-intuitive to the reason I posted.

I was referring to Warmouth as he is you elder & the way you talk to him, but it's not my place- just saying as a non-bais reader that sometimes its better to not respond at all. Enough on that. Warmouth is good people, give it time & you'll see.

Lurks advise: it's sound. It's what just about everyone would say & Marcus just spelled it out. As you're young & as I see it pretty set in your way, IF you pursue this then please read up on just test E, AIs & what you need for PCT? But that's what Warmouth was saying... Why PCT if TRT? This TRT stuff gets complicated (for me) & I'll easily admit way over my head & I've been reading since this summer..... I do have memory issues (TBI), so I read things over & over...

I know you're frustrated but re-read this in the morning & put yourself in our shoes & try to imagine we ARE trying to help & steer you in the right direction.

[Wazz]

Good night guys. I am out this time for sure. Wazz..........Imma watching you and all your slang terms, lol.

Take care my friend, see ya tomorrow

Wazz

[21yearsold]

Wazz-

I am actually moving to Alaska here in the next couple weeks in order to wait for my security clearance to come through! You wouldn't happen to be located in the Juneau area?

[Brohim]

Dude take more ambien and go to bed please. I'm done dealing with you. I apologized at first, but I take that back. You are an idiot. Again, PLEASE STOP POSTING ON MY THREADS. This will be the second time I reported you.

Maybe you should step aside and end this thread. Stick to the HRT where you need to learn, KID. You are a beginner in this arena and come on here flaming member's that have more knowledge than you. Instead of fighting with others here you should spend time READING about steroids, estrogen, AI's, side effect's etc. It will do you much better. You dont' have the knowledge base yet to even ask about cycling (which is what you created this particular thread about) You are overweight and not even got your HRT figured out yet. There are stickies all over the place on this forum so please read them first before coming on here and calling experienced member's kids.

[21yearsold]

Maybe you should step aside and end this thread. Stick to the HRT where you need to learn, KID. You are a beginner in this arena and come on here flaming member's that have more knowledge than you. Instead of fighting with others here you should spend time READING about steroids, estrogen, AI's, side effect's etc. It will do you much better. You dont' have the knowledge base yet to even ask about cycling (which is what you created this particular thread about) You are overweight and not even got your HRT figured out yet. There are stickies all over the place on this forum so please read them first before coming on here and calling experienced member's kids.

Kid... Shhhhh.

[Honkey_Kong]

Wazz-

I am actually moving to Alaska here in the next couple weeks in order to wait for my security clearance to come through! You wouldn't happen to be located in the Juneau area?

First it was Afghanistan and now it's Alaska.

Seriously, isn't there anything better for you to do besides trolling a message forum?

[21yearsold]

First it was Afghanistan and now it's Alaska.

Seriously, isn't there anything better for you to do besides trolling a message forum?

Can you not read? I mentioned the security clearance reasoning behind it. Isn't there anything better for YOU to do than to flame onto a post you just joined several hours late I might add, at 430AM CST?

[Tron3219]

Can you not read? I mentioned the security clearance reasoning behind it. Isn't there anything better for YOU to do than to flame onto a post you just joined several hours late I might add, at 430AM CST?

I am leaving the state soon to contract in IT for the DoD in Afghanistan. This requires that I have a security clearance and submit to random drug testing. You don't get a security clearance if you've done any drugs in the past 7 years. I'm 21...

He can read, it says nothing about Alaska. As I'm sure he has been reading all along or at least read the entire thread to pick up on that. And i don't even care if I get banned but your story has more holes in it then Swiss cheese! Like for instance a njcaa championship team like blinn who has won at least two in the past 10 years taking a chance on a fat line backer with a shoulder injury that hasn't worked out for the better part of two years. Then you go on to talk about the use of peptides and calling them the right names and u know all this technical jargon like ur test levels being measured in ng but you don't know the proper name for clomid. I'm gonna call bullsh1t on at least 60% if this. AT LEAST.

YOU came here asking for assistance and when you have been working with licensed physicians. WHY? Because you have ulterior motives and telling stories to try manipulate all of the knowledgeable members answers so u can manipulate data to the physicians to get proscribed legal test. Some just see through the bullsh1t.

Now if u want to report someone, report me cuz I'm giving you a reason! Respect the members in this forum or u will get disrespected. You sound like a punk a$s.

With that said, u can b1tch moan and complain cuz I'm not going to respond to any jibberish u fire back to. Prolly cuz I will be banned but I'm just saying what I'm sure everyone is thinking.

P.s to all the knowledgable members, hopefully I'll be back sometimes. And I'm sorry for the rant but damñ....u have a lot of knowledge I want to obtain, you've not seen the last of me...I hope lol

[Capebuffalo]

Why didn't someone wake me up for this. I would have thoroughly enjoyed this.

[Lunk1]

Why didn't someone wake me up for this. I would have thoroughly enjoyed this.

I can promise you Cape that it was NOT all that enjoyable. Like sex with a fat chick, fun while it's happening but in the end just regret and the feeling you got fuked!

[Capebuffalo]

^ laughed out loud

[warmouth]

Why didn't someone wake me up for this. I would have thoroughly enjoyed this.

I knew it! I even mentioned that you needed to get in on this earlier. I just got reported for posting this.

[panntastic]

Where a outs in afghan are you going?
And are you sure it's afghan your going to?

[Honkey_Kong]

Can you not read? I mentioned the security clearance reasoning behind it. Isn't there anything better for YOU to do than to flame onto a post you just joined several hours late I might add, at 430AM CST?

Your story has way too many holes in it. Do you have anything better to do than troll at 230AM PST?

[Juced_porkchop]

Understood. Sorry Mick and Lunk... I've been really super-stressed about the whole ordeal cause of how crazy it is that I have to deal with this at my age ....
But honestly, I also posted here because I've been thinking about stacking Winstrol on top. What are your thoughts? Can't hurt too much, my HPTA's already FXD ((.

if you are on HRT stick to hrt. till older is my op.
but a tip; winny is very harsh on blood and gains are minimal and its bad for joints and tendons.

if anything tbol over winny.

[Juced_porkchop]

I respectfully decline your advice. Thanks anyways.

your loss.
It really is spot on advice...
so sad when they do not listen and "know it all" but ask wanting to hear what they want....

[Juced_porkchop]

After being a bit involved in your TRT posts I cannot in good consience offer you any advise on stacking compounds with your TRT. I firmly believe TRT is not necessary for you and that your docs are wrong. Not everything that comes out of a doctors mouth is the truth (inside joke)

Please consider getting the whole actual diagnoses thing figured out before trying to cycle steroids. Plenty of time for that when your health is back to normal.

Sorry if that's not what you wnat to hear....

GOOD ADVICE!
doc just wanted the $ is seems or doesnt care or know what hes doing.
he should have trie dot lower your estro which may raise your test levels, or evnn runs of HCG ALONF for recovery. OR a SERM used for months to see if it can get them going THEN AT A F-ING LAST RESORT ........ HRT.

[Juced_porkchop]

When I asked him about the 'pct' you're talking about, he stated that it's part of their "new/inovative/insert bragging" process that they implemented which has been proven to help the body "reboot" to produce its own hormones again.

Then they would not be giving you test shots ro creams, THAT WOULD DO THE OPPOSITE!
TAKING TEST SHUTS YOU DOWN!
I hope you do understand that,,,,

[Juced_porkchop]

He's said that because I'm 21 with levels like this I'm probably going to be a life patient. However, he has said that he has hopes for that 'pct' cycle in producing some results.

then he would do PCT first, right off the bat, it does NOT take a very competent person in this area of knowledge to see that, hope you will.
right now he is milking your visits for cash...

Get a new DOC, im done with this thread

[21yearsold]

He can read, it says nothing about Alaska. As I'm sure he has been reading all along or at least read the entire thread to pick up on that. And i don't even care if I get banned but your story has more holes in it then Swiss cheese! Like for instance a njcaa championship team like blinn who has won at least two in the past 10 years taking a chance on a fat line backer with a shoulder injury that hasn't worked out for the better part of two years. Then you go on to talk about the use of peptides and calling them the right names and u know all this technical jargon like ur test levels being measured in ng but you don't know the proper name for clomid. I'm gonna call bullsh1t on at least 60% if this. AT LEAST.

YOU came here asking for assistance and when you have been working with licensed physicians. WHY? Because you have ulterior motives and telling stories to try manipulate all of the knowledgeable members answers so u can manipulate data to the physicians to get proscribed legal test. Some just see through the bullsh1t.

Now if u want to report someone, report me cuz I'm giving you a reason! Respect the members in this forum or u will get disrespected. You sound like a punk a$s.

With that said, u can b1tch moan and complain cuz I'm not going to respond to any jibberish u fire back to. Prolly cuz I will be banned but I'm just saying what I'm sure everyone is thinking.

P.s to all the knowledgable members, hopefully I'll be back sometimes. And I'm sorry for the rant but damñ....u have a lot of knowledge I want to obtain, you've not seen the last of me...I hope lol

Lol you're an idiot. Nice guess with Blinn though. Actually it was Navarro. I wasn't fat at the time either. I was pretty skinny. If you read everything. Go read up on DSS/DISCO/OPM and the time it takes if you get denied interim to get the ACTUAL secret security clearance. And as far as "jargon" goes, all I know is what's been told to me by my docs.

You're an idiot.

[Sfla80]

Not banned yet?

[21yearsold]

K Guys-

I'm going to post some links/Photos to make sure all of you feel like idiots. My name is ********. PERSONAL ID TAKEN OUT. POINT WAS MADE.

Personal ID taken out.