Most Common Beginners Cycles - Look here..

[HEVEW8]

Great Post Micky!, SHOULD BE A STICKY!

[KReyn]

Wtf? How old ru? Maybe he thinks u can recover naturally or he wants u to learn a lesson...

I'm 25, 26 in December. Thing is I have no reason not to trust him. He has coached me with my lifts before and is pretty good about helping out when I have questions. I think I'm still going to go AI,HCG, PCT route but why would he say that?

[MickeyKnox]

Great Post Micky!, SHOULD BE A STICKY!

Thanks.

So in doing my research before my first cycle I decided to get some input from the head trainer at the gym. He competes in strongman comps and has been doing cycles since he was 18. He insists I only need to take test for my first cycle. He says an AI, HCG, and PCT are not necessary if I take the test cycle properly. Now I may be new to this game but from everything I read it seems like a good protocol to take an AI, HCG, and PCT (almost like an insurance policy). How valid is the advice I got?

I'm 25, 26 in December. Thing is I have no reason not to trust him. He has coached me with my lifts before and is pretty good about helping out when I have questions. I think I'm still going to go AI,HCG, PCT route but why would he say that?

Im confident your coach has many years of experience with weight resistance training and strongman training. However, he's lacking knowledge in terms of AAS and the associated accoutrements (AI's, SERM's, hCG..ect) that are important to include with every AAS cycle.

If you read the links i provided in the first post, you will gain a fundamental understanding of the importance of including these compounds, and why. If you have already, then you understand that an AI does a lot more than prevent bloat and acne. There are a host of other sides related to high and low estrogen that can be very unhealthy, and downright dangerous, if left unchecked. hCG prevents testicular atrophy and promotes a smoother transition to PCT at the end of your cycle. And not including a PCT protocol to assist in restarting your HPTA, is simply foolish imho.

I honestly believe it would be irresponsible for you to exclude these compounds during your proposed cycle. Please take the time to fully educate yourself before embarking on AAS and do not hesitate to ask questions here or in the Q&A forums.

Good luck.

[KReyn]

Thanks for the input, I didn't think running test solo sounded like a good idea.

[MickeyKnox]

You're welcome KReyn. (shameless bump)

[kelkel]

The nerve!

[The Kernal]

Great thread. brb putting this page in my favorites.

[KReyn]

How can I ensure I'm getting quality test? I have a couple different options to pick from.

[MickeyKnox]

How can I ensure I'm getting quality test? I have a couple different options to pick from.

Ensure the test is from a quality lab/manufacturer.

[MickeyKnox]

The nerve!

Haha

[KReyn]

This may seem like too broad a question but what do the vets around here wish they would have known when they did their first cycle?

[Lunk1]

This may seem like too broad a question but what do the vets around here wish they would have known when they did their first cycle?

EASY...better understanding of AI's PCT and the importance of nutrition and it's effect on your cycle success!

[The Kernal]

EASY...better understanding of AI's PCT and the importance of nutrition and it's effect on your cycle success!

AI are estrogen blockers?

[Cheifjuana]

lol i dont think any new guys have read this, judging by the new threads that are being started...

bump

I'm new to this forum, I'm going.to study gear for the next year, work on my fourm and base then decide which gear to take based on body compensation. I see a lot of you post info just like this. But you're not explaining it to beginners. You're explaining as if you were explaining to another vet/person who knows about gear. Imo if you looked up the information and posted why to take this product, and not take this one. Or what this does when combined with another. It's a good post I hope I can learn from it but what it doesn't say is why and what.

"Step 1 open box
Step 2 take tablet

Boom! Now you know all about that gear now start your cycle"

[fit2bOld]

Good thread Mickey

Bumping

[MickeyKnox]

Good thread Mickey

Bumping

Thanks F2B!

AI are estrogen blockers?

Click on the link, SERM's/AI's on the first page.

SERM, AI

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-AI-Definition

I'm new to this forum, I'm going.to study gear for the next year, work on my fourm and base then decide which gear to take based on body compensation. I see a lot of you post info just like this. But you're not explaining it to beginners. You're explaining as if you were explaining to another vet/person who knows about gear. Imo if you looked up the information and posted why to take this product, and not take this one. Or what this does when combined with another. It's a good post I hope I can learn from it but what it doesn't say is why and what.

"Step 1 open box
Step 2 take tablet

Boom! Now you know all about that gear now start your cycle"

Its up to you to do your homework and read everything you can and inform and educate yourself as much as possible. Make notes and word documents to refer to. Observe other cycles and and try understand why certain compounds and various lengths of time were chosen. Read up on esters and what their roles are. But most importantly, read the Nutrition forum and develop a solid understanding of diet, macros, and TDEE. Then, ask pertinent questions based on your research and reading.

This will give the lead on AAS, and provide you with enough knowledge to make an informed and educated decision.

[The Kernal]

I'm new to this forum, I'm going.to study gear for the next year, work on my fourm and base then decide which gear to take based on body compensation. I see a lot of you post info just like this. But you're not explaining it to beginners. You're explaining as if you were explaining to another vet/person who knows about gear. Imo if you looked up the information and posted why to take this product, and not take this one. Or what this does when combined with another. It's a good post I hope I can learn from it but what it doesn't say is why and what.

"Step 1 open box
Step 2 take tablet

Boom! Now you know all about that gear now start your cycle"

What you saying is true. However, from one rookie (me) speaking to another (you), we have to be thankful for the info these vets are posting. They aren't here to spoon feed us, just to point us in the right direction, Nomsayin?
This thread is an outline for a beginners cycle, not a 'how to' type thread. One of the most useful ways of educating yourself (imo) is reading other peoples cycle logs ( ie: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...hate-Cycle-Log) as well as having a sounds knowledge of nutrition and training. Take notes as mickey said.

Good luck

[MickeyKnox]

What you saying is true. However, from one rookie (me) speaking to another (you), we have to be thankful for the info these vets are posting. They aren't here to spoon feed us, just to point us in the right direction, Nomsayin?
This thread is an outline for a beginners cycle, not a 'how to' type thread. One of the most useful ways of educating yourself (imo) is reading other peoples cycle logs ( ie: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...hate-Cycle-Log) as well as having a sounds knowledge of nutrition and training. Take notes as mickey said.

Good luck

That's actually a great way to learn and get a feel for what a cycle looks like. And while you're following along, you will likely pick up on why the OP chose those particular compounds in the first place.

Great suggestion Kernal.

[kmms]

bizump

[chartman26]

This is a great thread, I wish I would have had this months ago, it would have helped a lot.

I'm new to this forum, I'm going.to study gear for the next year, work on my fourm and base then decide which gear to take based on body compensation. I see a lot of you post info just like this. But you're not explaining it to beginners. You're explaining as if you were explaining to another vet/person who knows about gear. Imo if you looked up the information and posted why to take this product, and not take this one. Or what this does when combined with another. It's a good post I hope I can learn from it but what it doesn't say is why and what.

"Step 1 open box
Step 2 take tablet

Boom! Now you know all about that gear now start your cycle"

I'm new as well ( still only planning my first cycle, haven't even gotten any supplies yet), but you gotta look around the forums like the others said. There's so much information here, spend a few days reading just here on this site and you'd have a better understanding of what/why/when.

[The Kernal]

That's actually a great way to learn and get a feel for what a cycle looks like. And while you're following along, you will likely pick up on why the OP chose those particular compounds in the first place.

Great suggestion Kernal.

Thanks bro

[Cheifjuana]

This is a great thread, I wish I would have had this months ago, it would have helped a lot.

I'm new as well ( still only planning my first cycle, haven't even gotten any supplies yet), but you gotta look around the forums like the others said. There's so much information here, spend a few days reading just here on this site and you'd have a better understanding of what/why/when.

I'm going to spend a few months reading. Right now Im trying to stretch out my fourm. Thank you for this thread bra

[KReyn]

Any recomendation on any steroid documentaries? I've seen Bigger, Stronger, Faster but I'm looking for something a little more scientific.

[MickeyKnox]

I'm going to spend a few months reading. Right now Im trying to stretch out my fourm. Thank you for this thread bra

Smart move.

And youre welcome bra, brah, broskie.

[MickeyKnox]

This is a great thread, I wish I would have had this months ago, it would have helped a lot.



I'm new as well ( still only planning my first cycle, haven't even gotten any supplies yet), but you gotta look around the forums like the others said. There's so much information here, spend a few days reading just here on this site and you'd have a better understanding of what/why/when.

Hallelujah!

[Cheifjuana]

Mickey whay do you think about HCG and tren only cycle

[Zazi23]

Awesome !

[MickeyKnox]

Mickey whay do you think about HCG and tren only cycle

As a cycle? I don't. Used for primary hypogonadism? It can work. In fact its used monotherapy.

I believe Sworder has a thread on that.

Awesome !

Thanks bro.

[MickeyKnox]

Bump for the early morning crew

[Mavs]

Excellent thread, should be a STICKY!

[Abdulla]

Bump for the early morning crew

Mickey what if you can't get access to HCG? but have all the other? any alternatives, thanks

[MickeyKnox]

Excellent thread, should be a STICKY!

Thanks!

Mickey what if you can't get access to HCG? but have all the other? any alternatives, thanks

Well to be honest, with the internet at your fingertips, hCG is not that difficult to obtain these days. I really cant see why anyone would not be able to include this as part of their cycle. And i personally don't know of any substitutes for testicular atrophy.

[Abdulla]

Thanks!



Well to be honest, with the internet at your fingertips, hCG is not that difficult to obtain these days. I really cant see why anyone would not be able to include this as part of their cycle. And i personally don't know of any substitutes for testicular atrophy.

Its not illegal to purchase here in canada right? & thank you for the help.

[stpete]

Nice job, Mickey!

[MickeyKnox]

Its not illegal to purchase here in canada right? & thank you for the help.

Yes it's legal with a prescription.

Nice job, Mickey!

Thanks for the support Pete - means a lot coming for you.

[MickeyKnox]

Bump before bedtime.

[kronik420]

question:

assuming your diet and training are g2g

how would the gains compare from say a test prop 8 week cycle, to a test prop + anavar 8 week cycle? ( like the one u suggested prop week 1-8 anavar 60mg/day week 2-8)??

would you gain more muscle with the added var?

or would you gain the same amount of muscle but less fat?

etc..

and BUMP

[MickeyKnox]

All things considered, and in a perfect world as you suggest, you will definitely become stronger and leaner than Prop only. How much, however, largely depends on the person. Remember this is all dependent on the individual.

Var will give you additional strength gains and assist in maintaining LBM.

[kronik420]

All things considered, and in a perfect world as you suggest, you will definitely become stronger and leaner than Prop only. How much, however, largely depends on the person. Remember this is all dependent on the individual.

Var will give you additional strength gains and assist in maintaining LBM.

thanks mick

sounds good to me

[MickeyKnox]

Youre welcome Kronik.