Gyno Reversal Log need quick Help!

[Xternal]

Okay well I decided I'm going to go order some stuff for my gyno today and make a log on it.
I am definitely getting letro and nolvadex.
The letro is 30ml 2.5mg/ml and the nolvadex is 50ml 20mg/ml

I plan on trying to follow somewhat of C binos layout

Tapering up then tapering down, starting with the letro then using nolvadex once I come off.

Just two questions for you guys before I start this log.
#1 do you think one bottle of letro and nolvadex is enough or will I need more? I only had gyno for 2 months so I'm hoping the letro would work quickly.
#2 I know clomid is good for hpta so should I get that too for when I'm using nolva or will I be fine?

Last but not least if anyone has any recommendations of a site that you KNOW is legit you can pm me. I am ordering from CEM but just hoping it is legit like others say.

Any last thoughts and thanks if you can answer my two questions. I might post pics

[Sworder]

Why are you tapering up the letro?

Why are you using nolvadex when you come off?


The bottle of letro should last you long enough, the nolva I don't know. Depends on how long it takes for the gyno to get reversed.

When was your cycle? Did you just come off PCT?

[Xternal]

Well I did a cycle of superdrol about 4 months ago maybe 5 somewhere around that time. My pct was just nolvadex and a DAA test booster.
Well I keep hearing that on the first couple days to dose letro low and increase the dose to 2.5 and stay there until gyno shrinks then start tapering down.
Then letro is supposed to rebound so I thought your supposed to use nolvadex once you quit letro to prevent rebound. I have been off pct for 2 months.

[Sworder]

Estrogen rebound is a myth, don't worry about that.

There are two ways to reverse gyno: Treat it with a SERM such as nolva or raloxifene. Or bring estrogen down to a unhealthy level and hope it goes away.

The SERM protocol is more successful from clinical studies, but my findings also support the estrogen destruction protocol to some degree.

What I suggest you do is the following:

Use the letrozole to get control of your estrogen so that it is NOT high, but keep it in normal range. Then use a SERM such as Nolvadex(40/20/20/20/20) to actually reverse the gyno.

If you want to try C Bino's method go for it. Understand that you will feel like shit with 0 estrogen. There is no need to "taper up", start at 2.5mg/day if you want to go the estrogen ablation route. I would run the nolvadex along with it though as nolva is proven to reverse it as well. That way you have two things working on reversing it and if you get fed up with feeling like shit from the 0 estrogen you can drop the letro and continue on the SERM.

[Xternal]

If am using letro I will recover though right when I'm done??? I know I will feel like shit on it but if I go back to normal after it I don't mind. MY BIGGEST CONCERN is having gyno rebound worst then before.

[Xternal]

One more thing how is estrogen rebound a myth I HAVE GYNO? Doesn't that mean I got estrogen rebound from my cycle lol.

[Sworder]

Lets say that your E2 measures 40pg/ml. Then you start an AI and bring your e2 down to 20pg/ml. You discontinue your AI and then your estrogen REBOUNDS to 60pg/ml.

That would be an example of rebound. This doesn't happen for cyclists, maybe they refer to something else but rebound has a very specific definition and the thought that the previous example happens is NOT true.

Yes, it will take a while for your estrogen to rebuild to normal levels but you will come back to "normal" sooner or later. Have you had bloodwork done? That would be advisable, tT, LH, FSH and estrogen.

[Xternal]

No I haven't had blood work done, I can bust loads daily if that means anything, I just figured I was close to normal since I can bust 40 loads a day.
I just want to hurry up and catch this gyno as early as I can which I already waited longer than I should.
The only reason why I was leaning toward letor is because every site I went to when I googled about gyno everyone talks about using letro bieng the number one thing to get rid of it then using nolvadex. I want the greatest advantage to getting rid of gyno, that means I don't want to use something then have it not work because it was 3rd best because then I just wasted money and will have to try again. Do you think I can even get rid of gyno since I had it for 2 months

[Xternal]

Bump

[Sworder]

I can't tell over a internet forum if you can reverse it or not. It should be possible it depends how far it has progressed.

Do the letrozole and nolvadex protocol I suggested. Honestly I wouldn't do 2.5mg ED, it's too much of a struggle and strain on your mind and body. I would only do 0.5mg letro EOD.

Definitely include the nolvadex. Did you have any more questions?

[Xternal]

Here is why brain is confused.. I want to use the BEST protocol to get rid or at least shrink my gyno without messing up my body for good or making gyno worst.
So what would you suggest to use a small dose of letro then run the nolva?
The only reason is I thought nolvadex was to prevent gyno and not for getting rid of it which is why I thought I would have to use letro.
I was hoping that more people would have joined in so I could get like 40 answers but I guess thats not happeneing.

So what kind of layout do you suggest just take 0.5? Do you mean take that by itself until gyno starts to dissapear then hop on nolva?
I know I sound like a broken record but even thought not many people get estrogen rebound once you hear one horror story it stays in you head lol I just want to dose right so I don't mess up anything too bad

[Sworder]

so I don't mess up anything too bad

This is why I don't want you to use too much letrozole.

I suggest only 0.5mg letrozole EOD and use Nolva at the same time(40/20/20/20/20 that is per day/week).

The most aggressive gyno reversal would be blasting letrozole 2.5mg/day combined with Raloxifene(or Nolva). You can choose this one if you want I am not going to advise you do to a program which I see being detrimental to your well-being but that would be the strongest gyno reversal method.

Nobody I have heard of has gotten estrogen rebound from an AI and the causation being from the removal of the AI. Unless bloodwork showing the example I provided I would bet they are confused on the term "rebound".
Typically people don't jump in unless some crazy advice is given, that is to avoid confusion for you.

[Xternal]

Would I have to taper down lower than 20mgs when coming off of nolvadex? Also you don't think I would need a test booster I mean nolvadex should be enough you think right?
I'm just about done with the questions just want to make sure what I'm doing before I order, I'm wondering if I should by a syringe instead of using the dropper than comes with the liquids.

[Sworder]

No, you don't need to taper lower than 20mgs when coming off nolvadex.

You aren't getting shutdown from the letrozole or the nolvadex. So a testosterone booster isn't needed as your testosterone won't get lowered.

An oral 1ml syringe from a pharmacy should be fine, or use the dropper if it measures accurately.

[Xternal]

ah okay, later on I'm going to order the nolvadex and letro then wait for it to ship. Once I get it I'll start a log. I really hope that the stuff I get is not under dosed or bunk crap. I'm wondering if I should do like a cut while doing this because some people say cutting helps out IDK

[binsser]

Estrogen rebound is a myth, don't worry about that.

There are two ways to reverse gyno: Treat it with a SERM such as nolva or raloxifene. Or bring estrogen down to a unhealthy level and hope it goes away.

The SERM protocol is more successful from clinical studies, but my findings also support the estrogen destruction protocol to some degree.

What I suggest you do is the following:

Use the letrozole to get control of your estrogen so that it is NOT high, but keep it in normal range. Then use a SERM such as Nolvadex(40/20/20/20/20) to actually reverse the gyno.

If you want to try C Bino's method go for it. Understand that you will feel like shit with 0 estrogen. There is no need to "taper up", start at 2.5mg/day if you want to go the estrogen ablation route. I would run the nolvadex along with it though as nolva is proven to reverse it as well. That way you have two things working on reversing it and if you get fed up with feeling like shit from the 0 estrogen you can drop the letro and continue on the SERM.

I'm doing the letro /nolvadex method and its working really really well I done letro ed for 14 days with 20mg in the morning then 20mg at night and its over halfed so by my account its the best method takes about 3 weeks to notice the difference though hope this helps!

[Sworder]

ah okay, later on I'm going to order the nolvadex and letro then wait for it to ship. Once I get it I'll start a log. I really hope that the stuff I get is not under dosed or bunk crap. I'm wondering if I should do like a cut while doing this because some people say cutting helps out IDK

If you haven't ordered yet, get Raloxifene instead. It's a better SERM for the job. AR-R has it and they are legit albeit not very competitive in their pricing.

I'm doing the letro /nolvadex method and its working really really well I done letro ed for 14 days with 20mg in the morning then 20mg at night and its over halfed so by my account its the best method takes about 3 weeks to notice the difference though hope this helps!

How much letro were you running and how did it make you feel?

[binsser]

After 14 days I just kept with the nolvadex letro just run u down

[binsser]

2.5mg a day or every night before bed it makes u feel tired bud

[seriouslifter]

this is exactly from researching and opinions what i wanted to hear. when i start my cycle im starting nolv at 10mg ED on cycle and 2 weeks before and going to run 2.5mg of letro ED to see if my gyno will go away that i had for awhile. if i develop gyno later on even on 10mg ED after i decide to stop letro, should i run letro again or get adex?

[Sworder]

this is exactly from researching and opinions what i wanted to hear. when i start my cycle im starting nolv at 10mg ED on cycle and 2 weeks before and going to run 2.5mg of letro ED to see if my gyno will go away that i had for awhile. if i develop gyno later on even on 10mg ED after i decide to stop letro, should i run letro again or get adex?

Use an AI on cycle and you should be fine. People have great success with Aromasin, I always use letro. I wouldn't do the letrozole before your cycle, it's harsh and your chance of success is low since you have had it for a while.

[Xternal]

Okay, I guess I might order from AR - R I'm actually going to look a bit on google before I order because I NEVER ORDER from any website unless it seems legit. Not saying that it isn't but some places have more quality stuff then others, I ordered from a certain place last time and it was CRAP. AR - R prices are better than cem so I might. The only thing I hate is that since AR R is the sponsor I don't know if people just tell you to order from them because they want to look loyal to the site or if they really mean it.
For example I was a modderator well I think I still am a modertor on mr.supps website LOL I havn't been doing my job because I've been offline for like 4 months lol.

Anyways not saying that you are lying I'm just saying that sometimes I think people will lie and push you to a website just because they are part of that website if you know what I mean. They do look pretty legit, I actually have to wait for my bro to get home so I can go up to walmart and put money on my debit card. I don't like using credit cards online just incase. I'm probably going to upload videos on youtube when I start the gyno reversal to see if anything happens. I really really hope they are legit though if I order.

[Xternal]

Whats funny is I have a wasted $70 downstairs, I have a bottle of SD + DMZ downstairs now I have to sell that shit to someone because I'm not touching that shit.
I wonder if you can sell it on amazon even though SD is now banned?

[seriouslifter]

Use an AI on cycle and you should be fine. People have great success with Aromasin, I always use letro. I wouldn't do the letrozole before your cycle, it's harsh and your chance of success is low since you have had it for a while.

so you think i should run Aromasin at 12.5 mg EOD on cycle? No nolv at 10mg ED? I have a bottle of letro though and want to try to get rid of this gyno when i start cycle.

[Fllifter]

so you think i should run Aromasin at 12.5 mg EOD on cycle? No nolv at 10mg ED? I have a bottle of letro though and want to try to get rid of this gyno when i start cycle.

Save the nolva for pct.

[harley121]

"What I suggest you do is the following:

Use the letrozole to get control of your estrogen so that it is NOT high, but keep it in normal range. Then use a SERM such as Nolvadex(40/20/20/20/20) to actually reverse the gyno." Sworder

I followed this protocol from Sworder , even a little lighter on the Nolva- 40/20/20/20/10..., and had very good results w/ the beginning of gyno. Small lumps are gone, nipples sensitivity is for the most part gone. Was perfect for my situation that wasn't that far along but needed attention, and this seemed a very good conservative approach to start with.

[Xternal]

how long did it take to start working?

[kelkel]

Op, here's a good read for you as well:

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/96/1/15.full

[nycdave]

I just am winding down use of letro. I followed C Bino's method fairly closely and found my gyno was starting to reverse after a few days. It seems my experience isn't typical from what I have read on this site, but wanted you to know of the success I had following his plan. My gyno was developing for a few months - probably close to 3 months - and my doc perscribed arimidex to get rid of it. That didnt really seem to do much for me so I tried the letro. After two weeks on Letro the gyno was almost completely gone. Really wasn't expecting to get that rapid of a reaction as my lumps were pretty hard/developed. While I felt the impact of the Letro, it wasnt as negative as I expected. Felt somewhat tired but that was a small price to pay to rid my pecs of these lumps. I have not developed gyno before from aas use. Not certain why it showed up this time.

If you have further questions about how this worked for me please let me know. Can give you as many specifics on how I did this as you need. Hope this helps bud and good luck. Gyno really sucks and I am thrilled to have rid myself of it so quickly.

[Xternal]

Ya bro I just put $120 on my debit card thats what I use I don't trust giving my credit out this way I can get rid of a debit card. Anyways I was planning on also following C binos method. I probably have had my gyno around 2-3 months just like you did. I plan on buying a bottle of letro and nolva not sure if one bottle of each is enough but hoping it is. Do you run your exactly as it said on binos post? Like did you start of low on letro then go up to 2.5 kept it at that does then tapered back down? Did you use nolva or no?

Unfortunatly for some reason I can't get ar-r to process my info or maybe its a glitch on my labtop IDK, if I can't order from here I'm going to have to try out cem and hope its good stuff. Yes man I would love to hear what you did to get rid of your lumps because I am in the same boat as you were.

Mine was because I f'd with superdrol though. I'm def going to not touch any ph's or aas I think I'll get as much as I can out of my natural body then think about aas later.

[ppwc1985]

Xternal, don't worry about ar-r they legit. I been using them for multiple products and everything works great. I know they site sponser but they gtg man.

[nycdave]

Hey X, I did ramp up just as C Bino's program suggested. I didn't stay at the 2.5 level for more than 2-3 days. On the ramp down I was probably a little quicker than he suggested in cutting dosage. The impact was nothing short of incredible. Within 2 days of starting the letro the lumps got softer. I didnt use Nolva, but was on arimidex until the day I started the Letro so my bod might have been in a different place vs where you are at. I stopped the arimidex once I started the Letro and haven't gone back on it. One bottle of Letro was all I ordered. It was enough for me. However I'm going to order another soon as I am taking .1 ml eod currently to keep the gyno away as some of the guys suggested on this site. The Letro is powerful. It cleared up some acne issues also believe it or not when the doses were high. That has come back somewhat since I ramped down the dose. I'm currently running about 250 mg/ week of test cyp as part of a hrt program. I used the ar-r website but I know there are others out there for research chemicals. Used a Mastercard. Best of luck bro. Hit me up if I can help further.

[Xternal]

Thanks

[acidking]

Do you think I can even get rid of gyno since I had it for 2 months

I am not a doctor but from what I read gyno that's untreated for 12 months is irreversible via drugs, only surgery, so I suppose yes you have a good to chance to recover.

[harley121]

how long did it take to start working?

About 3 weeks, I noticed less sensitive nipples and I am not sure when the lumps started going down, they just did sometime in the past 6 weeks

[wamy]

Did your gyno go away??