Atomini's all-you-need-to-know about TREN and how to use it effectively thread!

[zacheryah]

Hey Atomini

I decided the first week of november to give your "trenbolone as primary anabolic" idea a try. Ive had 4 other tren cycles before and was very happy about them.
So far it has been quite the succes. I'm training for strenght, and the increase in both power and mass is very noticable.

My current schema was

800 mg trenbolone enathate, each week, all 10 weeks
250mg sustanon, each week, all 10 weeks
40mg dianabol(for kick), each day, first 4 weeks

Halfway currently and increased 1rm for squat and deadlift with 50 kilograms, and bench with 20 kilograms.

usually in tren cycles i experience a slight dropback in power when going off the dianabol, but havent noticed anything yet.
Furthermore, 250mg testosterone blend works just fine for keeping normal sexual functions.


Only problem i currently encounter, is anorgasmia, caused by elevated levels op prolactine, because in my country i cant get cabergoline, wich is kinda frustrating.

I'm only halfway, but allready my gains are far superior then any cycle i did before. I wonder where what improvement i'll have made when i ended it.

Thanks for the great info !

[Atomini]

Hey Atomini

I decided the first week of november to give your "trenbolone as primary anabolic" idea a try. Ive had 4 other tren cycles before and was very happy about them.
So far it has been quite the succes. I'm training for strenght, and the increase in both power and mass is very noticable.

My current schema was

800 mg trenbolone enathate, each week, all 10 weeks
250mg sustanon, each week, all 10 weeks
40mg dianabol(for kick), each day, first 4 weeks

Halfway currently and increased 1rm for squat and deadlift with 50 kilograms, and bench with 20 kilograms.

usually in tren cycles i experience a slight dropback in power when going off the dianabol, but havent noticed anything yet.
Furthermore, 250mg testosterone blend works just fine for keeping normal sexual functions.


Only problem i currently encounter, is anorgasmia, caused by elevated levels op prolactine, because in my country i cant get cabergoline, wich is kinda frustrating.

I'm only halfway, but allready my gains are far superior then any cycle i did before. I wonder where what improvement i'll have made when i ended it.

Thanks for the great info !

Excellent, great feedback and I am very pleased to hear your positive results!

In response to your anorgasmia issue, if you can't get a hold of Pramipexole or Cabergoline in your country, you can try vitamin B6. Look back through this thread or do a search function in this thread and you'll find the dosing guidelines for vitamin B6 to control prolactin and the studies conducted with it. I believe 600mg per day (split into two separate doses). The only issue with B6 is that excessive doses for prolonged periods can cause nerve damage and other problems in the body, this is why B6 for prolactin is not always my first advice for people. It's usually no big concern when using it at this dose for Prolactin control, but it is something everyone should be aware of.

[zacheryah]

Excellent, great feedback and I am very pleased to hear your positive results!

In response to your anorgasmia issue, if you can't get a hold of Pramipexole or Cabergoline in your country, you can try vitamin B6. Look back through this thread or do a search function in this thread and you'll find the dosing guidelines for vitamin B6 to control prolactin and the studies conducted with it. I believe 600mg per day (split into two separate doses). The only issue with B6 is that excessive doses for prolonged periods can cause nerve damage and other problems in the body, this is why B6 for prolactin is not always my first advice for people. It's usually no big concern when using it at this dose for Prolactin control, but it is something everyone should be aware of.

Oh allright, i'll try that instead then. Should i use it for the remaining 5+2 weeks, or less considering the sides ?


One thing i wanted to add about results from the cycle :

Acnee, still relatively low. got a cycle support with N-acetyl cysteinne and silymarin ready just in case.
Bloodpressure : since i train with 350mg asperine, not a real issue.
heath generation : Its freezing point temperature here, yet i have no problems running around in kneehigh shorts and a sweater/jacket. when i exert myself, i get a very warm feeling in my cheecks,who turn red in the progress. I consider it to be a good side effect.
Irritation : wel its a little higher then on 600mg, but to be honest, since this is the 4th time tren, its something i got used to.

and

Recovery : this is amazing. twice i have an injury to a rotator cuff, that hurted pretty bad troughout the day, but twice it got healed completely in 6 days time. as in no pain and no powerloss when 3rm benchpressing. I remember in an offperiod 1 year ago, i had the same injuries, and it took weeks to heal properly.

[bascat]

Excellent, great feedback and I am very pleased to hear your positive results!

In response to your anorgasmia issue, if you can't get a hold of Pramipexole or Cabergoline in your country, you can try vitamin B6. Look back through this thread or do a search function in this thread and you'll find the dosing guidelines for vitamin B6 to control prolactin and the studies conducted with it. I believe 600mg per day (split into two separate doses). The only issue with B6 is that excessive doses for prolonged periods can cause nerve damage and other problems in the body, this is why B6 for prolactin is not always my first advice for people. It's usually no big concern when using it at this dose for Prolactin control, but it is something everyone should be aware of.

Take a look at this link
muscle-health-fitness.com/prolactin-inhibitor.html

This is a superb rundown on the use of B6 and notes that certain types of B6 are ineffective in lowering prolactin- specifically Pyrodoxine Hydrochloride (which is the basis of many B6 supplements). The use of P5P instead is supposed to eliminate any issues with potential nerve damage from high doses.

[zacheryah]

Excellent, great feedback and I am very pleased to hear your positive results!

In response to your anorgasmia issue, if you can't get a hold of Pramipexole or Cabergoline in your country, you can try vitamin B6. Look back through this thread or do a search function in this thread and you'll find the dosing guidelines for vitamin B6 to control prolactin and the studies conducted with it. I believe 600mg per day (split into two separate doses). The only issue with B6 is that excessive doses for prolonged periods can cause nerve damage and other problems in the body, this is why B6 for prolactin is not always my first advice for people. It's usually no big concern when using it at this dose for Prolactin control, but it is something everyone should be aware of.

Thanks alot for the vitamin B6 advice !

I had my package on tueday evening.

Been taking 600mg/day in 3 diffrent doses
-200mg in the morning
-200mg when i get home from collegue
-200mg right before i go to sleep

As of this wednesday evening, I can confirm the anorgasmia issue is entirely gone. I didnt quite xpect it to work so fast tbh.

Should i keep on doing 600mg/day untill the end of the cycle, or lay it off for now, and restart the B6 when the problem reoccurs ?

thanks again !

[Atomini]

Thanks alot for the vitamin B6 advice !

I had my package on tueday evening.

Been taking 600mg/day in 3 diffrent doses
-200mg in the morning
-200mg when i get home from collegue
-200mg right before i go to sleep

As of this wednesday evening, I can confirm the anorgasmia issue is entirely gone. I didnt quite xpect it to work so fast tbh.

Should i keep on doing 600mg/day untill the end of the cycle, or lay it off for now, and restart the B6 when the problem reoccurs ?

thanks again !

That is some incredible feedback on how fast B6 works to reduce Hyperprolactinemia, thanks for sharing that with us. What I would suggest now is that you keep taking B6, but simply reduce the dose. I don't believe B6 in high doses for extended periods of time is a good thing for the body, so consider your 600mg/day to be the initial 'shock' dose that reduces your high Prolactin levels. After that, try only consuming maybe 200mg daily of B6.

[RyanGreg]

few more questions.....

1) Thoughts on running deca with tren?

2) highest tren dose you would recommend?

3) does tren dose need to be increased every cycle? say for example 50mg ed for first cycle....would you recommend 60mg ed for new cycle then 70mg ed for 3rd tren cycle and so on?.......will you still gain on same dose for next cycle?

[Atomini]

few more questions.....

1) Thoughts on running deca with tren?

2) highest tren dose you would recommend?

3) does tren dose need to be increased every cycle? say for example 50mg ed for first cycle....would you recommend 60mg ed for new cycle then 70mg ed for 3rd tren cycle and so on?.......will you still gain on same dose for next cycle?

1. Bad idea. I believe i've made my opinion clear in this thread a couple of times on running Nandrolone with Trenbolone in the same cycle. There really isn't too much to say about it though. Both of these compounds are 19-nors, both of them are Progestins, both of them shut the body down very hard, and both of them are known to be associated wtih harsher and unique side effects compared to other anabolic steroids. You are really asking for trouble if you attempt to run both at the same time because it creates far too much Progestational activity in the body at one time. It is something that has been done before (and I believe one or two members here have attempted it recently) but it t isn't something reccomended and would turn out to be a high risk very uncomfortable cycle.

2. There is no highest Trenbolone dose I would reccomend, because everybody reacts differently on an individual basis. There should be no need to venture higher than 500mg weekly though, considering the sheer strength of Trenbolone. I have found that personally anything greater than this amount results in a waste of money, increased side effects in spite of no greater gains, and is a health risk,

3. No anabolic steroids should need to have their dosed increased every cycle, ESPECIALLY Trenbolone. You should be able to gain on the exact same dose of Trenbolone every cycle for a good while. There is no telling for how long or how many cycles you'll be able to consistently be making gains at a particular dose before you need to increase it, but i'll tell you this - it is absolutely unnecessary to increase your Trenbolone dose after every single subsequent cycle. Those who do such a thing are simply making excuses up in their heads to run greater and greater doses, and as you do such a thing you will end up putting your body at a greater risk of health complications, and with something like Trenbolone, it can end up being astronomical. It is also something unnecessary with other anabolic steroids as well. Grow INTO your dose. Please see this thread for more information on this growing issue of people unnecessarily increasing their doses after every cycle: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...into-your-dose!!