Running Tren Higher than test

[GymHero]

My regular trt dose is 125mg ew, should i keep it at just this or double it to 250mg ew? I want to run the tren higher and see how my body reacts. I have only heard great things about cycling this way. Any input would be appreciated.

WK 1-8 Tren Ace 50mg EOD
Wk 1- Test E 250mg EW
WK 1 -6 Var 100mg ED

[Times Roman]

everyone is different mate. for me, I'm paid to be cool under pressure, so really cannot afford to get a "tren tantrum" if you will. So i try to keep the tren to no more than 1/2 of the test I take.

I've heard others do quite well with the same ratio as the test. It really depends on how well you tolerate it.

Is this your first experience with tren?

[GymHero]

everyone is different mate. for me, I'm paid to be cool under pressure, so really cannot afford to get a "tren tantrum" if you will. So i try to keep the tren to no more than 1/2 of the test I take.

I've heard others do quite well with the same ratio as the test. It really depends on how well you tolerate it.

Is this your first experience with tren?

When i was younger I ran a blend of Prop/mast/tren 75mg eod for 6 weeks... I believe it was very underdosed tho. Not much experience with tren.

[Times Roman]

When i was younger I ran a blend of Prop/mast/tren 75mg eod for 6 weeks... I believe it was very underdosed tho. Not much experience with tren.

you might want to consider going easy at first so as to see how you handle it. you really have two choices (three actually).


how i would do it, in order of priority
start with a lower dose and gradually increase, until you develop "tren temper tantrum", then back down 100mg to see if it goes away
start with your desired dose to see if you get "tren temper tantrum" and if you do, drop the dose quickly enough for the tantrums to go away within a few days
go with the desired dose you want and ignore if you get the "temper tantrum"

I don't know your family/work life, and it may be 100% ok if you get grouchy with tren. For me though, especially at work, it is a deal killer.

Good luck!

[Times Roman]

I looked at your tren dose again, not sure why i didn't see it the first time. My $8 walmart reading glasses are missing the earsupport on the left side, so that's my excuse.

You are only running 175mg tren a week. This is a low dose. Me personally? I'd up my test to the 250, just to get it higher than the tren, and go with that.

if you havn't run the var bbefore, i'd hold off until you see what this cycle does.

either way, it's still a mild cycle.

[GymHero]

You think starting at 100mg of tren eod is a good idea? Lower it if sides are too much to handle? If i did that i would keep my test still at 250mg pw. As far as my personal life goes im already hot headed and dont really need to be more of an ass lol.

[GymHero]

The reason i want my tren higher is I keep hearing and reading how tren and test fight for the same receptor. Since tren is a lot more stronger than test why not let the tren do all the work?

[Lunk1]

There are plenty of receptors to go around...no fighting for them lol.


Biggest reason many, myself inculded, run test lower is due to the undesirable sides of high test thast are mainly E2 related!

[Atomini]

The reason i want my tren higher is I keep hearing and reading how tren and test fight for the same receptor. Since tren is a lot more stronger than test why not let the tren do all the work?

This is the reasoning I use behind my explanation of how to use Tren in the Tren thread I typed up. It is ultimately up to the individual, but I have personally begun enjoying my Tren cycles far more ever since I used Testosterone at a TRT dose and run Tren higher. Note that I am not saying one needs to run Trenbolone at 600mg/week. All I am saying is to keep Testosterone at TRT doses (100mg/week) and keep Trenbolone at your usual 400mg/week, and let it be the workhorse anabolic. The idea here is to get everything you can garner from the Trenbolone, right? If you run Testosterone very high, you might as well run a Testosterone-only cycle, really.

Many people who have switched to this method of running Tren have seen an exceptional positive change in their results. Go to the Tren thread and check out one of the latest posts by someone (maybe about 3 posts back from the most recent post) where he explains the massive benefits he has seen in running Test at TRT and allowing Trenbolone to be the primary anabolic.

As far as the 'Tren tantrum' issue goes, I don't think it's so much a case caused by Testosterone being run lower than Trenbolone as much as it is an issue of two things:

1. The person's self-control and self-discipline to keep a cool level head at all times
2. The dose of the Tren being run. Higher Trenbolone doses tend to make one more edgy and snappy.

So the conclusion to that would be to run Trenbolone at a moderate dose, and make sure you have control of yourself at all times! Sometimes we need to take a step back and take a breather when we get irritated (even when not on AAS) and take a look at the big picture to take a second to calm ourselves. As far as Trenbolone dose goes... i've said it many, many, many, many times: Trenbolone is extremely powerful, so why would you need to run an excessive dose anyways? Moderate Tren doses (300-500mg weekly) work just fine to produce great results.

[Atomini]

There are plenty of receptors to go around...no fighting for them lol.


Biggest reason many, myself inculded, run test lower is due to the undesirable sides of high test thast are mainly E2 related!

This is true as well. There are many reasons for running Testosterone lower than Trenbolone, and this is one major reason. Trenbolone's side effects are greatly pronounced in the presence of high Estrogen levels.

[Far from massive]

While I agree with running Test lower than Tren on large cycles, on smaller ones its not the same. That is if you run 750 mg or Tren and you run 750 of Test you will be pretty likely to have a lot of aromatization going on and this in turn will upregulate the prolactin sides from the Tren. Conversly if you are running 250 Test and 250 Tren any AI will control the aromatization and upregulation of prolactin sides will not be a problem, additionally mood and libido will likely be better than using 125 Test and 250 Tren.

The same also applies to the receptor theory (assuming it holds water as it really is theory) at these doses there will be plenty of room in the playground for both to get along well.

[GymHero]

I am just coming off a prop/npp cycle and will hit this and then cruise again...

Wk 1 -8 Tren A 50-100mg?
Wk 1- Test E 250mg EW
Wk 1 -6 Var 50/100mg? I have already been on var for 4 weeks at 50mg and am handling it just fine. I am thinking of bumping it up to 100mg for the remainder of my cycle. Thoughts?
Wk 1 - Stane 12.5mg EOD

Note - I homebrew my gear and everything is slightly overdosed so I am getting the exact mg/mg

[nvrtd]

i would personally just keep your trt dose then use whatever dose on tren you wish, side affects are more common and elevated when test is high..

one of my good mates was doing mg/mg (tren a/test p) was injecting 100mg ed of both, sides through the roof.... i finally talked him down to running a base trt dose but keep the same tren dose, and he noticed a massive difference, and better gains