Even Arnold starting taking cycles at 14 years old and look where he got to at my age.. I was the same stats as him when we started roughly yet at my age and when he was 20 he looks like he has 5+ years of natural work ahead of me from taking D boll and w/e else. I can comfortably say I train just as hard as he does and diet just as hard if not harder with more knowledge we have these days, yet he puts me to shame along with any other person on gear. Its almost like trying to keep up with someone on a bike while you run for a marathon