Tren and losing weight while gaining muscle.

[auggie1000]

To start off here are my stats.

Age: 24
Height: 6'3
Weight: 240 (not all muscle, probably about 35% bodyfat

I'm wanting to know the best possible AAS cycle/stack for losing a great deal of weight while either gaining muscle or retaining muscle. I'm currently on a dbol only cycle and have gained 10lbs in 11 days. I'm wanting to gain a good deal of muscle first then when cutting time comes around in spring I wish to of course lose a lot of fat while maintaining most or all of my gains. From my research I've gathered that Tren would be an excellent choice for this. Also I'd like to add that my dbol cycle is going to extend for 8 weeks at 35mg/day. I know some will say that dbol only is a useless cycle, but I'm going on the word of a trustworthy friend that it's not. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[Lunk1]

Suggestions...yeah! STOP! I am to frustrated with this post to go into detail b ut I know some others will....

[auggie1000]

Suggestions...yeah! STOP! I am to frustrated with this post to go into detail b ut I know some others will....

Ok. I'm not sure what you mean, but by the tone of your response, I'm sure someone will explain it to me while bashing the shit out of me. lol fire away.

[Lunk1]

OK...there is so much bad about this I will just touch on a bit of it.

1) Dbol will shut down your natural test production. Right now your body is not making test...see why that would be bad?

2) Dbol causes alot of bloat and water weight gain...thats why you have gained weight. When you stop taking it the gains will go as fast as they came.

3) Your high BF% puts you at a very high risk for health related issues such as high cholesterol, high BP, enlarged heart and many more

3) tren is a VERY powerful adrogen that should never be considered by an inexperienced user. Its normal recomended to have 3 or 4 cycles uder your belt

4) AAS is not a diet tool...no steroids will make you skinny. They will cause you harm and you will get nothing from it because your diet sucks.

Thats enough to start

[Simple123]

^^^ This.
If you want to run anything IMO run test at 250-400MG a week tops and thats it. with proper pct of course

[Knockout_Power]

I know you think you're gaining muscle on this dbol cycle, but 90% is water. You drop the dbol and most of the strength and majority of weight will go as well. Also a good chance your dick may not work as well as it should once you get into the post 5 week portion.

Theres a reason it is not advised to not run a dbol only cycle. Just because you can, does not mean you should... I could stop a fan with my dick, but ...

[pitchindude]

1- your friend lied to you.
2- you're shutting down your test production.
3- tren would be a very bad idea, as would any steroids at 35% bf.
4- steroids are not weight loss drugs.

You want to get in shape and drop the bf? Get your diet right and work out properly. Lift hard.

And lastly, go find your friend and kick him in his probably pea-sized nuts. He's an idiot and gave you stupid advice.

[boxingfan30]

Diet?

[krugerr]

I need not mention the majority of what I was going to say, Lunk and the others covered it pretty well.

Diet -- for the love of god sort this out before you waste any more money. With a little help from the dieticians you can make some huge improvements to your physique. Losing the majority of that fat will be easy with some cardio. Any cardio will do at this point, fasted cardio is better when you get to sub 17%. Please head to the diet section and seek advice, read the stickies. It won't take as long to lose the weight as you might think... As long as you are dedicated.

[boxingfan30]

The best idea (and i'm on no steroids and never have been) is ALWAYS going to be to lean out first, when your bf get's to high then you can cut again, but you won't have nearly as much to lose and just slightly adjusting by just a few hundred calories is all you would need to get back to a leaner state. I would get off of everything and get a good diet plan worked out. The obvious benefits to this are better health, but you will also actually SEE what you have to work with, what needs to be worked on the most, get better pointers from everyone here because they can see some of your actual muscle.

[ScotchGuard02]

If your really 35% bf, you sound like you haven't been to the gym in a while. Before you think about cycling AAS you really need to create a lifestyle of exercise, rest, and a good diet. That will naturally drop your bodyfat and help you gain muscle. When you get down to below 15% bf then you can think about cycling.

[MuscleInk]

All good advice. You need to stop what you're doing, work on a proper nutrition plan with members in the nutrition section and then get a solid commitment to training for at least 12 months and knock some of that bf down.

You are putting yourself at considerable risks and you're attempting to bulk on top of a lot of body fat. Very unwise plan.

[Shol'va]

Holy Crap! 35% B/F? Yeah auggie1000, don't get mad at what these guys are trying to tell you. Don't think they are being mean. they are just trying to set you right and tell you the truth. But you can choose to ignore what they have to say. But with that said you will be back crying about how your willie wont work, your blood is all fvcked up and now the doc wants to put you on androgel for life. So just step back, read all you can here. This site has tons of important info you need to get you going and meet your goals in life of health and fitness. Stick around, make some friends and welcome aboard. You will be glad you did. Oh yeah and don't take some criticism as hate toward you and you will do fine.

[diabolicsoul]

Listen to everyone who has posted in here. Sit down and think about what you are doing to yourself.

You are given correct information from people who have years of experience and research, I would listen to them instead of your 'friend'. Your personal health is our primary concern.

[Perseverance1]

Zzzz

[ma_fighter]

#1 Stop with the D-bols, ASAP!

#2 Get your diet in check, start with cutting all that bodyfat before you even consider doing AAS, get down to 15% at least! The more bodyfat you're carrying, the more of the AAS will aromatase into estrogen, and you really really really dont want high estrogen levels.

#3 Did I mention you should get your diet in check?

#4 And also, your diet, it needs to be in check.. Hit the nutrition section, read the stickies, make up a dietplan by yourself so that the guys over there know that YOU are dedicated enough to actually go through with it, and that you really want to properly learn what you're doing. Then they'll critique it, and help out in any way they can, we've got a great bunch of guys and gals here with a great deal of knowledge, if you're interested in doing this the right way. There are no real shortcuts worth taking.
Start by cutting ~50lbs naturally, and see where that puts you, by then you'll know enough to actually maximize the benefits of doing a cycle later on.

#5 Forget about Tren, this is not a compound you wanna mess with until you know what the f*ck you're doing, and "Doing some D-bols cause a friend told you to" sure as he11 does not qualify.

I'm down 81lbs so far, no AAS involved, no "fatburners" no nothing. It's really not that hard once you take the first few steps.
/Maf

[songdog]

I dont know why people think aas is a diet aid beacuse it isnt.DIET and cardio is the only thing thats going to help you.Hit the diet section ask them for help.This is the only way and you will be lucky if you dont have ED problems or gyno.You could have gyno and at your bf not know it.Good luck Bro.

[copaaz]

If you are 6'3 and weigh 240 you are NOT 35% BF, but more around 22-25%, just saying!

[panntastic]

If you are 6'3 and weigh 240 you are NOT 35% BF, but more around 22-25%, just saying!

Explain how you got to this figure please

[Granovich]

Do NOT run any AAS until you have perfect diet and got to 12% BF or
So
Go to diet section and learn diet and do shit load of cardio lol
Please get of Dbol and start pct
If u had researched for one day about dbol only u would have seen how many NO's that dbol only will get
Its shitty anyway even with test

[Granovich]

Explain how you got to this figure please

That makes no sense that he got the bodyfat percentage without knowing how much lean mass he got
LOL... Im very interested in the explanation of how he got that percentage

[copaaz]

Well I take it back...if he has like no lean muscle AT ALL then maybe.

[panntastic]

Well I take it back...if he has like no lean muscle AT ALL then maybe.

You can't just say "oh your 'X' lbs so you must have 'Y'% body fat"
that's not how it works.
You can work out BMI with height and weight but that's it

[taaa]

If you are 6'3 and weigh 240 you are NOT 35% BF, but more around 22-25%, just saying!

how do you wanna know lol