deca vs tren

[Steve.O]

Wel apart from the scientific statistics of these 2 anabolics is it quite possible deca could provide more new muscle tissue to an individual than tren. I know on paper tren is much stronger. But has any1 found deca to yield better results for them? Im talking muscle gain not water weight because i know deca can make you look bigger due to water weight. Do you also think deca is slow with its results because i like my cycles to last 8 weeks. I believe after 8weeks my results cum to halt. Thnks for any feedback

[OnTheSauce]

Use npp instead of Deca then

[MuttonChop]

Deca is old school. You will generally only find old farts using it. It takes too long to build up and you have to stay on it for too long. It goes against the new found common sense of steroid usage: "Get in fast and get out fast!"

[fit2bOld]

Us old farts like deca. Good solid gains, water weight is a fable and a result of poor estrogen management and diet.

[champ14]

I never really gain much with deca. I've tried it twice and small gains but with tren wow. Works much better for me. Not just size but vascular. Lean muscle no water for me

[Granovich]

why would you use Deca while NPP is fast acting, Relatively less water retention and out of the system in 3 days . so you start your PCT soon...
Tren owns i would say although i never uused it YET

[miner1]

Iv tried both and nothing comes close to tren, but then again everyone is different so what works for me might not work for you.

[warmouth]

Deca isnt just for old farts. It is an amazing compound for alot of reasons. Helps aid in recovery, increased mobility, feeling of well being. Many, many people prefer deca over tren due to the harshness found with tren useage. While I will say tren should yield better results, deca can still be great. I am on it right now and like it pretty good. I wish I have NPP instead, but this is ok. Deca isnt really known for creating alot of new muscle, but it can help with adding some nice LBM slowly. And something I always thought with deca was that it was primarily used for bulking. Well, come to find out, the pros use it mostly in cutting cycles, and I had no idea until one told me that is was a fairly poor choice for heavy bulking. Try the deca before the tren would be my advice so you can get your feet wet with a 19 nor.

[MuttonChop]

Deca isnt just for old farts. It is an amazing compound for alot of reasons. Helps aid in recovery, increased mobility, feeling of well being. Many, many people prefer deca over tren due to the harshness found with tren useage. While I will say tren should yield better results, deca can still be great. I am on it right now and like it pretty good. I wish I have NPP instead, but this is ok. Deca isnt really known for creating alot of new muscle, but it can help with adding some nice LBM slowly. And something I always thought with deca was that it was primarily used for bulking. Well, come to find out, the pros use it mostly in cutting cycles, and I had no idea until one told me that is was a fairly poor choice for heavy bulking. Try the deca before the tren would be my advice so you can get your feet wet with a 19 nor.

I don't personally have problems with the anabolic strength of Deca...I mean...look at how big the old pros were and they pretty much always used Deca over Tren for bulking.

The fact of the matter is that we are slowly moving away from 16 week and 12 week cycles to 8 week and maybe 10 week cycles. We have learnt over time that most gains taper off after about 8 weeks and then, the negatives just outweigh the benefits; shutdown is harsher and it is more difficult to bring body back to baseline.

So, to repeat for clarity: nothing against Deca. It is the long ester attached to it that is outdated and useless. Go with NPP if you cannot hand Tren sides. This will let you do 8 and 10 week cycles.

[Turkish Juicer]

@OP: Deca is still widely used by the BB community and continues to maintain its popularity also amongst pro BBs as an off-season AAS along with Anadrol; however, nothing can be compared to Trenbolone on any level.

[warmouth]

@OP: Deca is still widely used by the BB community and continues to maintain its popularity also amongst pro BBs as an off-season AAS along with Anadrol; however, nothing can be compared to Trenbolone on any level.

Ha! And there we have it.

[Misery13]

Deca is old school. You will generally only find old farts using it. It takes too long to build up and you have to stay on it for too long. It goes against the new found common sense of steroid usage: "Get in fast and get out fast!"

Only old tarts use it huh? Please educate us with you vast expertise in AAS.

[paintball774]

First time using deca now. i like it. strenght has improved a lot and im already seeing size end of week 3

[songdog]

Deca will always have its place among BBers young and old.

[warlord_wang]

@OP: Deca is still widely used by the BB community and continues to maintain its popularity also amongst pro BBs as an off-season AAS along with Anadrol; however, nothing can be compared to Trenbolone on any level.

only thing what comes close to tren is test susp

[OnTheSauce]

Ever tried Tren suspension? Knock your socks off

[boz]

Deca is low androgenic, tren is high androgenic. If you like to play it safe use deca. If your aware of the nasty sides of tren, and have experience with it use it. Listen to your body, not the thoughts in your mind or ego.

[MuttonChop]

Only old tarts use it huh? Please educate us with you vast expertise in AAS.

I didn't mean to offend you in anyway if you are old and/or use deca. =P

I am more than sure that Turkish Juicer is right in saying that Deca is used a lot in pro BB circles. But what you have to understand is that most of these pros never come off of steroids. Therefore, shutdown is not a problem, and hence, the half life of the ester generally doesn't matter.

But for the rest of the users who are not pros, deca is slowly becoming unpopular. I obviously only know this from reading stuff from people like William Liewellyn and Bill Roberts. I am no expert and I apologize if I came off as a pompous prick.

[warlord_wang]

Ever tried Tren suspension? Knock your socks off

No how is it?

[RoadToHuge]

No how is it?

Knock your socks off

[valkyrie]

Only old tarts use it huh? Please educate us with you vast expertise in AAS.

Old tart checking in

Just another heads up that for you guys that cycle and don't stay on tren is a mother to come back from.

[valkyrie]

And test suspension doesn't come close to tren it comes close to test plus gets you a bit high. What is up with this board thinking certain Esthers or lack thereof turn a substance into something wildly different?

[Until_It_Sleeps]

I've used both and saw higher strength gains (and more acne) with deca, even at a smaller dose. Total weight gain was the same with both drugs, however, the sexual stuff...tren good, deca bad.

[Misery13]

Old tart checking in

Just another heads up that for you guys that cycle and don't stay on tren is a mother to come back from.

Thank you....

[warlord_wang]

And test suspension doesn't come close to tren it comes close to test plus gets you a bit high. What is up with this board thinking certain Esthers or lack thereof turn a substance into something wildly different?

I'm not even going to waste my time with this comment

[boz]

I've used both and saw higher strength gains (and more acne) with deca, even at a smaller dose. Total weight gain was the same with both drugs, however, the sexual stuff...tren good, deca bad.

Just an assumption may have to do with different gender.

[Until_It_Sleeps]

I am a different gender.

OT, any benefit to stacking tren with deca?

[songdog]

I am a different gender.

OT, any benefit to stacking tren with deca?

Some guys are using low dose Deca for their joints while running Tren.

[swm1972]

I'm not even going to waste my time with this comment

That's good, because he is right. Esters are comprised of carbon atoms that determine the release rate of the parent compound. It doesn't matter if its a long ester chain. A short ester chain. Or the total lack of an ester chain. Your body recognizes the parent compound. Period. That's it. There is really nothing more magical about this shit then that.

[warlord_wang]

That's good, because he is right. Esters are comprised of carbon atoms that determine the release rate of the parent compound. It doesn't matter if its a long ester chain. A short ester chain. Or the total lack of an ester chain. Your body recognizes the parent compound. Period. That's it. There is really nothing more magical about this shit then that.

I'm going to waste my time & comment to this bs, But anybody with any knowledge with AAS & has cycles under their belts know esters do play a big role & can change the characteristic like side effects etc.There no way you can compare test e to test susp, side effect are more pronounced it's more potent since it doesn't have a ester. But then you have to also take the person into consideration because everybody reacts to compounds differently

[swm1972]

I'm going to waste my time & comment to this bs, But anybody with any knowledge with AAS & has cycles under their belts know esters do play a big role & can change the characteristic like side effects etc.There no way you can compare test e to test susp, side effect are more pronounced it's more potent since it doesn't have a ester. But then you have to also take the person into consideration because everybody reacts to compounds differently

Trust a guy that is 6'3" and barely over 200lbs or a guy that has 25+lbs on this guy, is 5" shorter and I'm old. Well past those prime years. I'm also about 10lbs lighter then I normally walk around at due to a car accident late last year that has kept me from working shoulders/back/chest for a few months. Ill let the individual user decide. I stand by my previous comments.

I was 200lbs natural at 5'10" age 34 before touching steroids. Here is the problem. So many self professed gurus out there that use gear too soon, with poor results, and then want to share their wealth of experience. Great. I've been 5'10" at 250 sub 12% body fat year round. If I say it you can bet your ass its from first hand experience and not some random <whatever> I read on the Internet.

Esters effect rate of release. Period. The difference in the power of a compound based upon ester weight is insignificant. We are talking a few percent to a max of 15% maybe. Would you see a significant difference between 400mgs a week and 460mgs a week? Because that is the amount of difference we are talking when we are comparing ester weights. There are no magical properties like less/more water retention etc. I run HRT doses of test backed by deca at a gram and experience zero bloat. Why? Controlled dietary intake. Yet this compound has a horrible reputation for bloating. if you don't want to look like a pig you don't eat like one. Sodium intake is more responsible for your bloating then the ester of the gear you are running!

Test suspension is a unique compound because it gets in so fast. But what if you were to space the same dose (as an equal test cyp cycle) out over injections throughout a week to achieve constant blood levels? Would there be these unique magical properties then? No. The only thing special is a drastically elevated test level for an extremely short period of time. Some people feel like this running test cyp too. But these people are running the dose high enough to be equivalent to the peak you experience from test suspension. Only this doesn't peak and fall off rapidly. It continues all cycle long. I've run big cycles. That feeling isn't exclusive of test suspension.

[RoadToHuge]

I have read from numerous accounts that there are less sides from Tren E than Tren Ace. I know in my experience with Tren (limited), that at 400mg / week and 300 ish test e, sides were increased strength, loss of fat, i got huge... Sides were the common ones, increased body heat, sweating, dat funky (pheromone type thing)smell, can't sleep, night sweats, so horney you will **** just about anything..lol (on dat dere Prami) but nothing intense. All super mild, i could tell they were there at times, but then again, the body is working pretty hard when on Tren. Does anyone have any first had experience on which they perfer?

Perhaps it is the mechanism of the release longer esters in Tren E that make people less prone to the sides?

[Metalject]

Both are good compounds. Tren seems to be a lot more popular among the general message board communities more so than Deca, but in competitive bodybuilding circles you'll still find both are very popular. Large doses of Deca are common off-season...very popular are overlapping plans with Tren and Deca. The guy will start with Deca and 8-10wks in begin Tren, continue Deca with Tren for 2-4wks and then drop the Deca and continue Tren for a total of 8-12wks. Obviously this ends up being a long run on gear, but we're talking about bodybuilders....guys that don't come off for very long.

I'd also say NPP is still pretty popular in cutting plans on the front end of a lot of contest cycles with Tren being heavy, very heavy the back half.

Personally, if I have to pick one Tren is my favorite if I'm basing my opinion on what's the most fun. You can grow well from either one but I never got a lot of strength increases with Deca like Tren. Plus the conditioning effects are second to none....Tren alone will provide better effects in that regard the multiple other steroids stacked together.

[warmouth]

And test suspension doesn't come close to tren it comes close to test plus gets you a bit high. What is up with this board thinking certain Esthers or lack thereof turn a substance into something wildly different?

WAIT! It get you a bit high? Really?

[Alinjr]

Love them both.

[swm1972]

I have read from numerous accounts that there are less sides from Tren E than Tren Ace. I know in my experience with Tren (limited), that at 400mg / week and 300 ish test e, sides were increased strength, loss of fat, i got huge... Sides were the common ones, increased body heat, sweating, dat funky (pheromone type thing)smell, can't sleep, night sweats, so horney you will **** just about anything..lol (on dat dere Prami) but nothing intense. All super mild, i could tell they were there at times, but then again, the body is working pretty hard when on Tren. Does anyone have any first had experience on which they perfer?

Perhaps it is the mechanism of the release longer esters in Tren E that make people less prone to the sides?

I've never experienced less sides with tren enth then tren ace. But the side subside faster if you can't handle them or they get too extreme. Some people can't handle the night sweats, insomnia, anger management issues that are sometimes associated with tren. Having a fast clearing compound when you are spending the night staring at the ceiling is a major plus. I've run tren ace and enth before. I don't feel the sides were any different. Only thing I experienced was very mild insomnia the first couple weeks and night sweats the whole cycle.