Clen working but not working....

[doingwork12]

Ive been taking my clen for two weeks as of today. I started at 20mcg and incresed by 2omcgs per day till i hit 120mcgs and i have been there since..The first week i lost only three lbs and thats it after two weeks... My diet has been very good since i started and ive be doing cardio and lifting 5-7 days a week.. I havent been able to do as much cardio as i would like.. but atleast a half hour to some days an hour.. It differs the pain in my shins and legs are pretty bad in the first half hour or so but are definetley getting better... Aand yes im taking the taurine and eating 2-3 bannanas a day.. bout to start the keto tommorow evening.. I heard to start at 1 mcg? is that correct?

Any ideas on why im not dropping the weight and why the pain could be disturbing my work out? i guess some days are better then others....its not horrible...

[BBJT200]

You could have insulin sensitivity issues. Try carb cycling, or just straight up ketosis.
I'm a fan of intermittent fasting for fat loss with insulin issues. If you produce excess amounts of insulin in response to carbs, those bananas are probably killing your progress to be honest.

Or, re-calculate your TDEE and adjust your intake accordingly. Perhaps you are not burning as much at the gym as you may think?

What's your current calculated TDEE and intake for the day? Do you ever have a refeed day?

I know for myself, even if I'm in a 2-3lb/week calculated deficit and I include carbs through out the day, I won't lose ANY weight. It appears as though I lose muscle mass and gain fat mass when I have a calorie deficit on a diet including carbs. On top of that, I just feel sick as hell.

Also, how much water are you drinking? I don't bother with bananas, I just supplement potassium ...about 2.5g/day from potassium salt.

[kronik420]

what's your diet like? it may need some tweaking..

[doingwork12]

i tryed posting my diet but i got no help because idk know about macros and all that

[BBJT200]

Then that is your problem. If you don't understand what a carbohydrate is, what a protein is, and what a fat is...how do you expect to be able to calculate your deficit to lose fat!?

[doingwork12]

i know that the things i eat are considered "healty"

[BBJT200]

"healthy" doesn't mean crap.
You aren't losing weight because you don't understand how eating actually works.

Go learn your macros. It's pretty easy to look up nutritional information on the internet, or even on the package if you eat packaged food. And most packaged food is crap.

Most food marketed as healthy is actually crap; expensive crap that you are tricked into buying.

[kronik420]

i know that the things i eat are considered "healty"

is that like going to mcdonalds and having the salad? lol jks

list what you usually eat..

[doingwork12]

6am wheat english muffin with peanut butter and bannana or oatmeal

8am gym

after gym turkey wrap with apple

afternoon chicken and brown rice

dinner tilapia and brown rice brocoli

cottage cheese canned pears

The only thing i really " snack" on is sunflower seeds and peanuts and cashews

I try to limit bread/carbs once a day.. early in the day

I cut cheese out alot too...im not sure but i dont think its a good for you as i thought
thats a pretty typical day

[doingwork12]

im also diebetic so i know my sugar and carb intake are fairly low... when i diet i barely take my insulin and can mantain good sugar levels ... that says something...

[BBJT200]

You have carbs in every meal you listed...
English muffin is probably ~20. a normal serving of Peanut butter is 6-7.
Banana is 25, oatmeal is like 27/half cup if you actually use old fashioned oats. If you use packets, those are NOT healthy...they're just sugarbombs.

Apple is carbs, the wrap on your turkey wrap is probably ~200cals, mostly carbs.
Brown rice is carbs.
Cottage cheese even has carbs in it, small amounts but still carbs. Canned pears is literally just sugar. Don't eat that crap!...especially if you are diabetic lol

If you are on a diet, you don't snack on anything but vegetables. No butter, no toppings, etc.


You may be under the impression that fats in your diet cause fat gain. This is not the case. Healthy fats (omega 3's, found in olive oil, coconut oil, flax seeds, etc) actually help fat loss when you are in a caloric deficit. Drop your carb intake to literally once a day, not every meal like you have listed. Your other meals I would suggest simply protein and fat.

I'm a huge fan of extremely low carb diets for fat loss (less than 50g carbs per day) to induce ketosis. This sort of a diet can also drastically improve your condition.
I'd suggest working with your doctor on developing a low carb diet.

Also, check this out. http://www.livestrong.com/article/47...osis-diabetes/

[denverpride]

i know that the things i eat are considered "healty"

Why do you put these chemicals in your body without even understand how macros work. Unacceptable

[BBJT200]

I was going to say this ^ but could not stomach saying it even remotely nicely.

[doingwork12]

i read the article and it does make sense.... there just taking it to a real extreme... but considering what i was eating a month ago.... i should have lost weight ...maybe not tons but i was eating horrible...now that it has changed i should see results reguardless...obviously 50grams of carbs is ideal and an extreme

[doingwork12]

ive taken plenty of fat burners in the last 10 years or so.... and by dieting the same way i described above ive lost way more weight.... i always drop like atleast a good 5 to almost ten lbs in the first two weeks.... in 90 days i can drop almost 15-20 lbs... my problem is im a painting contractor who still works in the field.. so i work out november through maybe march april then its sun up till sun down.. with no gym time... i continue to eat good for a couple months then fall off by by june july because i dont see results, i just mantain then i gain the 15-20 lbs back and repeat it come winter again......

[t-dogg]

Fat burners are junk. Yes keto is 1-3ml per day.


Honestly the diet needs lots of work. Protein intake sucks.

What are you stats?

[warmouth]

JT has this pretty good, so Ill be short. People respond differently to calories. Some people respond wellto more carbs than protein. I am one of these people. I try to shoot for 300 grams of protien and 400 carbs daily. Once this competition is over, I will be carb cycling. But I can tell you that fruits are not the best source of carbs, and you are eating alot of them. If you MUST eat a carb every meal, make them complex and save the fruits pre or post workout. Fruits carbs are just simple sugars. It seems its the diet working, not the clen. Get inyour cardio at least 3x weekly and try fasted cardio in the AM for 25 minutes and then after your workout, try a 20-25 minute session. Just give it a try. It seems you are getting some solid advice here.

Hey JT. Ar is pretty good after all huh? I told you so!

[BBJT200]

Hey JT. Ar is pretty good after all huh? I told you so!

Yeah, they surprised me. I got several emails back basically saying they wouldn't do anything. I finally just flat out asked for a refund or replacement, and credit would be fine for the refund since I shop there regularly. They were happy to oblige and I was not expecting that after the runaround I got. Absolutely, yeah. They are pretty good.

[BBJT200]

ive taken plenty of fat burners in the last 10 years or so.... and by dieting the same way i described above ive lost way more weight.... i always drop like atleast a good 5 to almost ten lbs in the first two weeks.... in 90 days i can drop almost 15-20 lbs... my problem is im a painting contractor who still works in the field.. so i work out november through maybe march april then its sun up till sun down.. with no gym time... i continue to eat good for a couple months then fall off by by june july because i dont see results, i just mantain then i gain the 15-20 lbs back and repeat it come winter again......

If you are gaining the 15-20lbs back, you are simply eating too much. You CAN keep it off. It's about choices, really. If you want the results, you will do what it takes to get them. If you half-ass want the results and aren't willing to make the sacrifices, you will just gain the weight back. It's up to you. Feeling hunger is not a bad thing. I actually have changed my mental association with hunger=misery to hunger=progress....and it has done wonders for me. Just watch out for the shakes, blurred vision, etc that comes with low blood sugar and take the appropriate actions to control it.

If you're only losing weight because of cardio, and then gaining it back because of lack of cardio, that indicates that you are simply eating too much. Learn your macros, count your calories. If you aren't willing to do this, you aren't ever gonna get anywhere. I speak from experience here...save yourself the frustration.


To be honest, a <50g carb diet is not really an extreme since you have diabetes. You have to change that perspective. Your body basically has a malfunction processing carbohydrates. You'll feel a lot better once you adjust to a high fat high protein low carb diet. I almost ended up with diabetes and have actually reversed it with this sort of a diet. It's also the only thing that has ever worked for fat loss for me. ...so...think about it.

If you want the results, you have to really think about what you are willing to sacrifice to get them. After all, this is your health...and it will determine how long you live.

and yeah, fat burners are junk. If you're on a diet/exercise plan that actually works for your body/metabolism type, they can help that extra 1-3%, but only if you are doing something that is going to work for fat loss by itself.

[doingwork12]

okay... i get where your going with it.... the fact is i eat bad during the summer but that is niether here nor there.... Sooo lets say itry this out... where can i get a sample diet ? all i can think of off hand is chicken lean beef 97/3 brocoli, peppers, cauliflower, carrots and egg whites.. which are all things i already eat..tilapia tuna

what about protein shakes? they have carbs and more sugar then everything i pretty much eat...mine has 2 grams per serving

[BBJT200]

okay... i get where your going with it.... the fact is i eat bad during the summer but that is niether here nor there.... Sooo lets say itry this out... where can i get a sample diet ? all i can think of off hand is chicken lean beef 97/3 brocoli, peppers, cauliflower, carrots and egg whites.. which are all things i already eat..tilapia tuna

what about protein shakes? they have carbs and more sugar then everything i pretty much eat...mine has 2 grams per serving

Since you are cutting carbs out of your diet, you have to add fats. Cook your chicken in olive oil, throw in some egg yolks, have some natural peanut butter, etc.
Protein shakes are pretty much worthless when you're dieting. As a last resort type of meal, you could throw 1-2tbsp olive oil in a protein shake and take it with you. I've done that with university classes a few times.

Do you know your height, weight, body fat %? Find out if you don't, and let me know. You need to calculate how many calories your body uses to maintain itself, and then figure out how much weight you are needing to lose per week. Anything over 2lbs/week unless you are very obese is going to eat into your muscle mass pretty hard.

1lb of fat = ~3500 calories. So, 2lbs a week would be 7000 calories. You use a BMR(basal metabolic rate) calculator to see your daily energy expenditure (calories burned just by living)
Once you know all of that, you can then create a diet. Until then, you're throwing knives in the dark!

[doingwork12]

6ft 233lbs and 27%bf last time it was checked... i appreciate the help too...thanks

[BBJT200]

No problem. Next step is to find that BMR calculator (there are tons online) and make sure you use one that calculates body fat percentage into it.

Start counting calories (I actually weigh all of my food with a gram scale). In the beginning it's pretty tedious and time-consuming, but it's a learning process. I don't even have to think about it anymore. It's shocking how little food we are actually supposed to eat compared to the typical American diet. We've been led to believe we need to eat way more than we do; that was one of the biggest stumbling points for me.

Macros:
Fat: 9 calories per gram. [stay away from vegetable oils. these are a major contributor to metabolic problems]
Carb: 4 calories per gram [you were doing great with the brown rice, oatmeal (use old fashioned w\ no sugar), etc. Just drop the fruit and supplement vitamins if necessary]
Protein: 4 calories per gram [a good rule of thumb is 1-1.5g protein per pound of bodyweight.]
Alcohol: ~5-7 calories per gram, but has no nutritional value.

[BBJT200]

Oh, and something I learned the hard way. Keep your keto and your clen in totally separate places. I accidentally dosed 3ml of clen once and almost died.

My advice would be to not even use it. It's harsh, and until you're in the 12-6% body fat range, it's really unnecessary. It can help, but it IS harmful to the body.

[doingwork12]

okay.. im kinda catching on..But do you know of somewhere i can get a list of no carb food... not many from what i find....mostly meat...

Also how do i stay under 50 grams of carbs ...eating oatmeal and brown rice? you said it was bad...now its okay

[doingwork12]

Today i had

4 egg whites ,protein shake

Turkey wrap

Chicken, green beans

beef stew meat with mixed peppers

How that? Better?

[Until_It_Sleeps]

OP you are way too fat to mess with these drugs. Clen is not for overweight people, it's for the lean who are looking to get freaky-lean.

[MuscleInk]

Lots of great advice and constructive comments. Great work everyone!

OP.....stick with it and follow the advice you're getting. Nutrition really is the biggest driver of muscle growth and weight loss. A lot of people think they eat well but even those who avoid fast foods could always use some help with their nutrition.

How often do you do cardio through the week? How long each time? Is any of it high intensity interval training? How about fasted cardio?

[Until_It_Sleeps]

Also weigh your food..."turkey wrap" means nothing. I can make turkey wraps that have 200 cal and those that have 1000.

[t-dogg]

OP you are way too fat to mess with these drugs. Clen is not for overweight people, it's for the lean who are looking to get freaky-lean.

Damn, shes keeping it real lol.

[Until_It_Sleeps]

Nothing against fat people...but every "clen don't work" thread is inevitably started by someone with high bf, new to the gym and who has a crappy diet.

I will always say: drugs are not for average or out of shape people who want a boost...they are for extreme people who want an extreme look and who are willing to suffer extreme consequences.

[--->>405<<---]

i tryed posting my diet but i got no help because idk know about macros and all that

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=#.UP3__yfedP8

so then what u give up?? it appears to me the clen is not ur problem. YOU are ur problem! u need to get it in gear and decide whether or not u want to get results or whether u wanna keep *****footing around finding excuses not to work and reasons to try to take what u think are shortcuts that are gonna get u nowhere as well as put urself at risk.. abandoning the thread above is NOT the way to get ur bf% down or learn anything..

OP you are way too fat to mess with these drugs. Clen is not for overweight people, it's for the lean who are looking to get freaky-lean.

Nothing against fat people...but every "clen don't work" thread is inevitably started by someone with high bf, new to the gym and who has a crappy diet.

I will always say: drugs are not for average or out of shape people who want a boost...they are for extreme people who want an extreme look and who are willing to suffer extreme consequences.

^^^X2

[t-dogg]

Im not fat, Im big boned.

[doingwork12]

i do an hour a day... on the treadmill.... im thinking of going back in the evening to do another hour... i was slacking the first two weeks.... i started a job but it didnt last... it was holding me back and making mylegs hurt but it is alot easier now....

[doingwork12]

by the way i did good today.....45 grams of carbs only and i definietly got really tired mid afternooon...gunna take some getting use too..... crazy thing is i didnt take any insulin..all day..first time in a long time....if anyone has any ideas for any carb free food that i may not of thought of?? let me know please.......

[--->>405<<---]

u need to go back to the nutrition section and re-visit the thread u started so u can get ur diet sorted out man. otherwise ur never gonna make progress thats gonna last IMO..

[doingwork12]

ill look into it for sure....but i think i did pretty good today and im just gunna take it day by day..... i mean 45 grams of carbs is pretty crazy but if that what i have to do then thats it.....

i just get concerned about when i go back to work.... up at 430 gone till 7-10 pm everyday.....its a bad cycle but hopefully i can change that this year..

[BBJT200]

Yes that is definitely improvement. You need to start weighing your food or being more specific because as said in an earlier post, turkey wrap could mean a lot of different things.

Low/zero carb foods:

Vegetables (except carrots), eggs, any meat, natural peanut butter is fairly low carb (~7g/2tbsp, and half of that is fiber)
Basically, the bulk of your energy calories will come from fats. The bulk of the actual volume of food you will eat should be vegetables.
And isn't it great to not have to stick yourself with needles? I bet that was exciting!

If you're really screwed with your schedule like I am with school at times, an olive oil / protein shake is my go-to food intake for the day. It's gross at first, but once you're so hungry all the time from dieting, it ends up being something to look forward to LOL. Make sure you actually measure out the oil, though.

And yeah...they're 100% right about the clen. You're trying to get healthier...don't kill yourself with clen trying to take a shortcut.

[doingwork12]

thanks alot...i think this should work out alot better lol... ill try the olive oil shake later...thats gunna be my big struggle...to find ways to pick up my blood sugar in a healty way..and not connsume carbs... im thinking the protein shake is probably my best bet?.. 2grams sugar per scoopand 5 grams carbs

[warmouth]

Get with 405 and get back to the nutrition section with all of this. Staying low/no carbs isnt sustainable for the long haul. Ask anyone who did that dumb diet that dr came up with a few years ago, and everyone went nuts over it. Dont worry as much about carbs, and focus on lowering your total daily intake of calories in general. If I dont have carbs, I get very weak and lethargic, and most times hypoglycemic episodes come on. Some people dont need as many carbs as me, but carbs are a great fuel to get through the day. I am not talking carbs from donuts and cakes. Rice, oats, and potatos. 405 will not steer you wrong.