Thanks guys) but I've gota keep it all in perspective, I am on aas and there is alot that can be lost. What's real and what's not. At any rate some of it does look good, for me anyway. I felt like I was out here hiding, so I got that out. I need to find my true BF%. with caliper I came up with 12% but maybe far off. I need to do that bod-pod thing. All I know is I'm lovin it like the days past and I'm F*ckin training hard.. Oh about the thread and the Tren dick and orgasm. I will see the doc in the am, and get my BW and also ask about prolactin and some "bromo" now that you told me and I looked it up. cool place this is...crazy mikie