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[Back In Black]

Bloody hell mate, just eat!!!!!!!!!!

Why do you feel the need to taper up to maintenance? Maintenance is maintenance is it not?

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Bloody hell mate, just eat!!!!!!!!!!

Why do you feel the need to taper up to maintenance? Maintenance is maintenance is it not?

maintenance is maintenance yes

as u know when cutting the body undergoes hormonal changes and makes adjustments. i am just trying to be sure not to gain any fat back and it is working thus far! only a couple weeks and i get to eat more anyways. i want to establish this bf% and be sure to NOT gain any fat!

what can i say im anal!

[Back In Black]

Anal yes. Most definitely. Some may call it over thinking or over complicating. We hen I jumped into maintenance last year I lost weight. It doesn't always work the way you read or the way you think.

Besides, what is the greatest natural thermogenic? You've already gained muscle and lost fat for an extended period of time on your cut, it should be that you can continue that running maintenance. With the correct macro split, of course.

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Anal yes. Most definitely. 1. Some may call it over thinking or over complicating. We hen I jumped into maintenance last year I lost weight. It doesn't always work the way you read or the way you think.

Besides, what is the greatest natural thermogenic? You've already gained muscle and lost fat for an extended period of time on your cut, 2. it should be that you can continue that running maintenance. With the correct macro split, of course.

1. "some"are entitled to their opinions!

2. i actually looked better this am in the mirror than i have yet!

[Back In Black]

I just think you'd be surprised at how well maintenance would suit:-

1.your physique

2. Your mood

3. Your wife ( who must have the patience if a Saint?)

I know you don't like 'normal' diets. I know you are a little (or a lot) OCD about it all. I know you also feel like your body needs a break. I know this has been discussed elsewhere too and that you are your own man and will do what you want to do, just thought I'd say my peace, friend to friend. See, you're not just a mate anymore

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I just think you'd be surprised at how well maintenance would suit:-

1.your physique

2. Your mood

3. Your wife ( who must have the patience if a Saint?)

I know you don't like 'normal' diets. I know you are a little (or a lot) OCD about it all. I know you also feel like your body needs a break. I know this has been discussed elsewhere too and that you are your own man and will do what you want to do, just thought I'd say my peace, friend to friend. See, you're not just a mate anymore

LOL.. everyone keeps saying that about my wife! LOL.. surely i dont come across as irritable on here do i?

1. i am working towards getting to full maintenance. this is the last week at 2 training days. next week i get to eat well 3 days and the following week i go to EOD. its already a lot better now though because i get 1500-1800cals on fasting days instead of 600-800cals. i dont eat until 7pm usually so its a very big meal and then a big bowl of cottage cheese (with strawberry preserves mixed in) and blueberries.. which is freaking awesome BTW and u should try it! but u have to put the jam in the cottage cheese first and use frozen blueberries that have been pretty much thawed out in the microwave (but are still cold).

2. like i said i noticed this am i look better in the mirror already. my mood i think is on the upswing.

3. i appreciate ur concern and it is well received! i am ocd ur correct but i think it is most effective for me especially with regards to diet and training.

4. friend: u remembered! aww, if i were with u id give u a hug right now buddy! (im not gay - not that theres anything wrong with that! )

[Back In Black]

Man hugs are good, I'd give you one too (a hug that is)

My Mrs would have booted me out if I was dieting like you were, that's all I meant. You'd best ask yours if you're irritable or not. I don't think you are btw, I'm still enjoying sharing your journey

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^^ im curious why would ur MRs boot u if u dieted like i do?

for the record i think she would rather have a pissed off rattlesnake for a husband than me some of the time here lately is the impression i have gotten!

[human project]

Now then 405, this is where you need to stop getting hung up on numbers. You are clearly leaner than last time and, as your bf gets lower and Lowe that 0.6% difference is much more obvious. Plus, there always needs to be an allowance that the bodpods doesn't give an exact reading.

Ya I know everyone says that bod pods are the best but honestly IMHO for people with a very large amount of dense muscle mass it doesn't seem very arcuate... I have a friend who clearly has more mature dense muscle then I but it is also very obvious that he has much more body fat then I do and he always tests around half the fat that I do. Ill ask him tomorrow if he cares if I post pics of us standing next to each other and you can get a better idea of what I'm talkin about.

[Back In Black]

Ya I know everyone says that bod pods are the best but honestly IMHO for people with a very large amount of dense muscle mass it doesn't seem very arcuate... I have a friend who clearly has more mature dense muscle then I but it is also very obvious that he has much more body fat then I do and he always tests around half the fat that I do. Ill ask him tomorrow if he cares if I post pics of us standing next to each other and you can get a better idea of what I'm talkin about.

Is that a one off or every single time? Do you both eat or drink beforehand?

[human project]

^^ thx pal.. Similar logic to wat i had. Had forgotten about smaller drops being more significant looking though.. Good call

9.3% is pretty dang good but i want more!!

I'm telling you man your wayyyy under 9... There is a huge variance once you break under the 5% mark bc that's when everything makes a huge difference in your appearance but damn near minimal on any test.... Under the 5-6% mark the visual aspects really come into play. These are usually your natural thickness of skin, tightness of skin, density of muscle, WATET RETRNTION.... Tons of other things also such as pump of blood, blood pressure, sodium level, any level..... From about 12% down to at very least 7% ya id say any visual changes are most likely a reduction in bodyfat (and obviously water retention) but once your under that "as I think your around 6 and a half and 7 everything comes into play; even supplements.

One more thing to add. I found even particular foods literally make me look leaner or fatter.... Sounds weird but if I eat a bowl of oats and wait an hr it looks like I put on ten lbs of fat... Again prob an allergy that causes issues with water for me personally.. Try this... Carb deplete and then eat a bowl of salsa along with 3 beers and take a before and after pic... Guarantee your wayyyyyy leaner after the beer and salsa....

[human project]

Alright 405 sorry but I have to ask bc I'm sick of flipping through posts to see where you were when... You mind giving us a timeline of pix??? Actually it would be cool to add it with a timeline in the members pix

[human project]

Is that a one off or every single time? Do you both eat or drink beforehand?

No both fasted and just about every time its done one right after another.... He always talks shit and says I'm just nasty veiny and he has ridiculously thick skin but I say 1. thats bs, 2. he's fat, and 3. the test is bunk lol. Honestly the man does have some crazy skin... Lol I always say he looks like rubber and you can't pinch him for shit... Especially if he's really pumped. Now this rubber thick skin shit obviously goes away after a certain % bf drop but still it seems to be something to note.

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well HP i like the way u think! (6.5%-7%bf) LOL.. of course it makes no difference in how i look as to where im at whether it be 6 or 9 i still look the same! i hear what ur saying about water and stuff and thats very interesting! i eat a ton of salt! i use it with my beef and i have ketchup and hot sauce and never count it but am prob 2x the amount i should be eating according to the FDA..

as far as pics i will try to come up with a progression but i dont know how to post the pics where u dont have to make the little box? maybe someone can teach me??

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well i had a good workout in the gym today especially after dinner last nite (pictured in my current avi ).

looks like the YMCA is gonna have to invest in some more DB's because i have officially outgrown all they have to offer!

the benches were all occupied so i had to do DB's on flat bench. here is what i did:

70's x 10
95's x 7
115's x 6
125's x 5
125's x 5

i couldve gone heavier as well! YMCA get some more weight im too strong for what u have in stock!

[energizer bunny]

Good stuff 405!.........youl have to hit up a new gym lol...........is that home made pizza?

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Good stuff 405!.........youl have to hit up a new gym lol...........is that home made pizza?

negative.. Carabba's! and it was freaking awesome!

[energizer bunny]

negative.. Carabba's! and it was freaking awesome!

ha...bet it was! love me some pizza! just plain for me though.

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ha...bet it was! love me some pizza! just plain for me though.

the one pictured is pepperoni, mushroom, italian sausage!

[energizer bunny]

All to your self or did you share?

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All to your self or did you share?

are u kidding!?!

i considered ordering the filet marsala for myself in addition to the entire pizza! (and im NOT kidding) but i did eat half my wife's filet and some of my daughters..

dude i can eat man! LOL

[energizer bunny]

are u kidding!?!

i considered ordering the filet marsala for myself in addition to the entire pizza! (and im NOT kidding) but i did eat half my wife's filet and some of my daughters..

dude i can eat man! LOL

haha.......thats the way...mate i can eat junk food and snacks for a living!..........id bet i could eat more crisps than anyone on here! love them

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just screwing around bored had the wife put the calipers on me to see what they said:

9-site
chest: 4
bicep: 3
tricep: 3.5
thigh: 5
abs: 6.5
calf: 3.5
supraillac: 3.5
lower back: 9
subscapular: 10

Body Fat %: 6.89%
Lbs/Kgs of Body Fat: 12.96 lbs
Lean Body Weight: 175.04 lbs

basically 1% lower than ive ever been using this method and about 8lbs heavier to boot!

[cj111]

I need to get me some of those calipers.. does walmart sell em ?

[likelifting]

just screwing around bored had the wife put the calipers on me to see what they said:

9-site
chest: 4
bicep: 3
tricep: 3.5
thigh: 5
abs: 6.5
calf: 3.5
supraillac: 3.5
lower back: 9
subscapular: 10

Body Fat %: 6.89%
Lbs/Kgs of Body Fat: 12.96 lbs
Lean Body Weight: 175.04 lbs

basically 1% lower than ive ever been using this method and about 8lbs heavier to boot!

Great job!

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I need to get me some of those calipers.. does walmart sell em ?

LOL.. not the ones i have. theyre harpenden calipers.. $400

of course they are only as good as the person using them! last time i chekd them against the bod pod they were about 5% off! was just doing it for fun. the bod pod has me at 9%.. im prob somewhere in between..

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well its official: im sick!

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well being sick sucks.. except for the lying around all day and eating and sleeping

[Zodiac82]

caught the stomach bug thats been goin around huh

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caught the stomach bug thats been goin around huh

no, not stomach, more like feel like an 80yr old man with achy back and pretty much every joint.. neck, etc.. fever, cough, sore throat, stuffy head.. ugh!

(ok the dancing smiley didnt convince me i feel better!)

[Back In Black]

no, not stomach, more like feel like an 80yr old man with achy back and pretty much every joint.. neck, etc.. fever, cough, sore throat, stuffy head.. ugh!

(ok the dancing smiley didnt convince me i feel better!)

Ah, that was me over Xmas. 2 bloody weeks it lasted for me.

Get well soon friend

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Ah, that was me over Xmas. 2 bloody weeks it lasted for me.

Get well soon friend

dang im only on day 2.. 100.3 degree (37.9 celsius ) temp.. dizzy, cold, hot.. not something i like! i hardly ever get sick!

thx buddy! i have to get back to work and it looks like ill be home again tomorrow..

[Back In Black]

I was only 2.5 weeks post op too. 2 solid days in bed mate, that'll be a good start.

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I was only 2.5 weeks post op too. 2 solid days in bed mate, that'll be a good start.

yeh been on couch all day today.. prob will be tomorrow! i told my wife this morning i was confused about what to do: "i dont really think cardio is a good idea and i cant figure out whether i should fast or eat or what! LMAO.. "

so far i have been lying on my butt and when i get hungry i eat.. have tried to keep macros decent but have been a little flexible. today was supposed to be a fasting day but i figd the body needed cals to fight..

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id also like to note even if i thought cardio was a good idea at this point i am physically unable to perform it..

[baseline_9]

well HP i like the way u think! (6.5%-7%bf) LOL.. of course it makes no difference in how i look as to where im at whether it be 6 or 9 i still look the same! i hear what ur saying about water and stuff and thats very interesting! i eat a ton of salt! i use it with my beef and i have ketchup and hot sauce and never count it but am prob 2x the amount i should be eating according to the FDA..

as far as pics i will try to come up with a progression but i dont know how to post the pics where u dont have to make the little box? maybe someone can teach me??

Use photo bucket...

Looking forward to seeing pics.... U look sick in ur avi m8

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well this am i finally was able to do some exercise: cardio 45mins LISS /moderate whatever u wanna call it.. was nice to get back.. i did nothing for 3 days.. tomorrow i will be lifting.. still not 100% prob closer to 80% but a lot better..

[Zodiac82]

well this am i finally was able to do some exercise: cardio 45mins LISS /moderate whatever u wanna call it.. was nice to get back.. i did nothing for 3 days.. tomorrow i will be lifting.. still not 100% prob closer to 80% but a lot better..

good to hear
time to go kill it

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well i really got it in good today at the gym for my first day back lifting since my illness (since sunday)..

did upper body today: chest, back, shoulders..

got the bench good today:

did DB's cuz some freaking old man/asshole/idiot was (get this shit) doing fvcking dumbell bench on the barbell fvcking bench! he was also doing seated lateral raises on the BB flat bench!

in any event:

85 x 12
100 x 7
125 x 6
125 x 6
125 x 6 (dropset) 100 x 6 (dropset) 85 x 5

then did BB flat: 225 x 10 (dropset) 135 x 12

i need some heavier Dbs!

the rest of my workout was nothing special.. took it kinda easy on shoulder press and deads and lats and rows.. but all in all was a good workout. next week i may go to a 3 or 4 day split..

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nailed the crap out of legs today. did giant sets of squat, leg extension, leg curl and also did 3 drop sets mixed into the giant sets for my last giant set.. it was awesome!