Test levels.

[rbm33]

I originally posted this in the HRT forum and a few people suggested i post it over here to see what u guys might have to say...

hi all

my stats are...
46 yrs old
5'9"
185 lbs
currently about 11% bf

i have done a couple cycles of tren with really good results and without most of the dreaded tren side effects.

i recently had my test levels checked and it was running 350 so my dr. started an injection of 150mg of test cyp per week and a small amount of estrogen blocker once a week. after a month of injections my test level jumped up to 1050 and my estrogen lever was 50. so currently the plan is to stick with the 150 mg per week of the cyp and bump up my estrogen blocker a bit to lower my estrogen levels.

what my question is is if i start of cycle of equapoise and possibly add another 350mg of test cyp on top of the 150 im gettign from the dr. what will that do to my blood work results that he has me taking once a month??


thanks in advance

[gearbox]

Eq is a waste! So I would go a different route. Or you can tell your doctor you're running a bunch of supplements that are known to increase total test levels. Last time I went for blood work my total test was 1500 and I just named off the list of what supplements I was taking to raise and he said all that make sense

[rbm33]

Eq is a waste! So I would go a different route. Or you can tell your doctor you're running a bunch of supplements that are known to increase total test levels. Last time I went for blood work my total test was 1500 and I just named off the list of what supplements I was taking to raise and he said all that make sense

hey gearbox

thanks for the reply. what would you suggest other than E? i have run two cycles of tren with really good results but i compete in some endurance events and the tren was killing me. i was pumping up so fast i couldnt compete.

also, what suppliments did u say u were taking to increase your test levels?

[s.e.bowen]

hey gearbox

thanks for the reply. what would you suggest other than E? i have run two cycles of tren with really good results but i compete in some endurance events and the tren was killing me. i was pumping up so fast i couldnt compete.

also, what suppliments did u say u were taking to increase your test levels?

I was also wondering what supplements you told your doc that would raise your test levels that high. Thanks gearbox.

s.e.bowen

[Sgt. Hartman]

Equipoise won't affect your testosterone levels other than suppressing natural T.

500mg of cyp would probably put your total T above 2000.

[OnTheSauce]

Id imagine 3000 or even higher. On 750 test e mine was over 7000 and on 800 test pp over 8300.

[kawika]

I was also wondering what supplements you told your doc that would raise your test levels that high. Thanks gearbox.

I am also interested in this. Thanks in advance

[Sgt. Hartman]

Id imagine 3000 or even higher. On 750 test e mine was over 7000 and on 800 test pp over 8300.

When the test is done in relation to your pinning schedule can be a huge factor and change the results a great deal but I don't think yours are correct.

This is what I was going by.

Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men

Testosterone

Dose Baseline Week 16 Change from Baseline P vs. Zero Change
Testosterone (ng/dl) (overall ANOVA P = 0.0001)
25 mg 593 ± 48 253 ± 66 −340 ± 85 0.0029
50 mg 566 ± 78 306 ± 58 −260 ± 64 0.0037
125 mg 553 ± 53 570 ± 75 57 ± 75 0.7425
300 mg 653 ± 50 1,345 ± 139 691 ± 143 0.0005
600 mg 632 ± 63 2,370 ± 150 1,737 ± 156 0.0001

Free testosterone (pg/ml) (overall ANOVA P = 0.0001)
25 mg 62 ± 6 29 ± 5 −33 ± 8 0.0014
50 mg 57 ± 6 32 ± 3 −25 ± 5 0.0009
125 mg 49 ± 5 52 ± 8 3 ± 7 0.8601
300 mg 71 ± 7 138 ± 21 67 ± 18 0.0012
600 mg 64 ± 5 275 ± 30 211 ± 31 0.0001

[MickeyKnox]

Id imagine 3000 or even higher. On 750 test e mine was over 7000 and on 800 test pp over 8300.

Agree with Sarge. Something doesn't jive bro. Those T numbers are awfully high for that amount of introduced exogenous testosterone.

Take a peek..

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11701431

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172.full

[Bio-Active]

Last time I ran mine 3.5 days from last pin running 600 EW split into 2 pins my levels came back at 3,200 ng/dl and free t was over 900

[OnTheSauce]

Last test was done about thirty min after shot. I pin mon, wed, fri, and sat. Blood drawn 8am fri morning.

Don't remember last time in regards to pinning. It was test e, so probably just 2 shots a week.

I can post the sheet if interested.... aren't made up out of the air numbers

[Sgt. Hartman]

Not saying you made the numbers up but idk how accurate their testing method is when your T levels are abnormally high on cycle. I had bw a while back that had mine at 27,000 on a gram of test. They make mistakes.

Idk much about it but maybe there's a different testing method needed to accurately test T levels when they're so far out of ref range.

[Bio-Active]

There is different ways of measuring was your total T 27,000 NG/DL?

Not saying you made the numbers up but idk how accurate their testing method is when your T levels are abnormally high on cycle. I had bw a while back that had mine at 27,000 on a gram of test. They make mistakes.

Idk much about it but maybe there's a different testing method needed to accurately test T levels when they're so far out of ref range.

[Sgt. Hartman]

And that study mickey posted is the same one that chart I put up came from. The blood tests were all done 7 days after pinning so the results are on the extreme low end of what we'd expect from a more consistent pinning schedule.

[Sgt. Hartman]

There is different ways of measuring was your total T 27,000 NG/DL?

Yeah TT was 27,840 ng/dl I just looked. I thought they got the decimal point wrong lol. But that wouldn't be right either unless my gear was way underdosed which I know it wasn't.

[MickeyKnox]

Yeah bro, certainly not suggesting you made them up. But something doesn't seem to add up. Could be the lab or..?

[Bio-Active]

Good god how did you feel?

Yeah TT was 27,840 ng/dl I just looked. I thought they got the decimal point wrong lol. But that wouldn't be right either unless my gear was way underdosed which I know it wasn't.

[OnTheSauce]

It was labcorp. Thru privatemdlabs. Both say results confirmed by dilution