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[gbrice75]

interesting. i am on TRT so if i want to increase serum test levels i can just give myself a bigger shot!

When you think about the pathways/precursors that ultimately lead to testosterone, it makes sense. Fat > Cholesterol > Pregnenolone > DHEA > Testosterone. I know I left a couple out, e.g. prog, etc. but for the purpose of this discussion this example should be sufficient.

Having said that, I wouldn't recommend people jump onto a diet that has them getting 30% of daily calories from fats. For one, we're all different, and both 15% and 30% are arbitrary numbers. Second, we have to bear in mind that fat is still most likely (or better put, most readily) stored as bodyfat. Point being - there is a fine balance that each individual needs to find for his/herself.

[mockery]

When you think about the pathways/precursors that ultimately lead to testosterone, it makes sense. Fat > Cholesterol > Pregnenolone > DHEA > Testosterone. I know I left a couple out, e.g. prog, etc. but for the purpose of this discussion this example should be sufficient.

Having said that, I wouldn't recommend people jump onto a diet that has them getting 30% of daily calories from fats. For one, we're all different, and both 15% and 30% are arbitrary numbers. Second, we have to bear in mind that fat is still most likely (or better put, most readily) stored as bodyfat. Point being - there is a fine balance that each individual needs to find for his/herself.

Yes but people are not finding out what works for them, there seems to be a fanboi mentality of this board lately that fats are bad and fat makes you fat, and as u said fat is stored as fat. Its using the right fats at the right times to have proper delivery of fats to help promote test production and weight loss. Every post in the past 5 weeks on lean bulking seems to be like "WATCH OUT BROTHER , DONT EAT FATS." Yes ask any good body builder on his show prep, butter, fish oil and other animal fats are consumed in large amounts.

Its painful to see this forum is going into teh direction of just use more gear to look jacked, dont eat fat just have massive carb refeeds and you will be swole and the idea that everyone has a very high LBM but refuse to get proper tested to take in account , brain, bone density and organ mass. so their rmr is way off for finding true tdee. Is a generation of gear use for aesthetics and goggling diet plans. Heck how many board members are using UD2.0 that are 12-18% body fat when they could easily lose the weight with a simpler approach and then they stall when they get sub 11% and dont get me started on the whole " bro im losing fat weight only and no muscle mass , im so jacked" then they say they are losing 3-4lbs a week. When even the most amateur bodybuilder knows to avoid mass loss you have to go at it slow .5-1lb a week deficit or its defiantly muscle mass you are losing. hence 12-16 week cuts , and some hard gainers is 20--22 week cuts.

thread hijack!

but everyone looks up to you guys , a bit too much they dont even learn what they need to eat or what their actual requirements are. If gbruce or 405 said i have to eat 2400 calories that's what im gonna eat! its painful to read threads in the diet forum lately.

[gbrice75]

Yes but people are not finding out what works for them, there seems to be a fanboi mentality of this board lately that fats are bad and fat makes you fat, and as u said fat is stored as fat. Its using the right fats at the right times to have proper delivery of fats to help promote test production and weight loss. Every post in the past 5 weeks on lean bulking seems to be like "WATCH OUT BROTHER , DONT EAT FATS." Yes ask any good body builder on his show prep, butter, fish oil and other animal fats are consumed in large amounts.

Its painful to see this forum is going into teh direction of just use more gear to look jacked, dont eat fat just have massive carb refeeds and you will be swole and the idea that everyone has a very high LBM but refuse to get proper tested to take in account , brain, bone density and organ mass. so their rmr is way off for finding true tdee. Is a generation of gear use for aesthetics and goggling diet plans. Heck how many board members are using UD2.0 that are 12-18% body fat when they could easily lose the weight with a simpler approach and then they stall when they get sub 11% and dont get me started on the whole " bro im losing fat weight only and no muscle mass , im so jacked" then they say they are losing 3-4lbs a week. When even the most amateur bodybuilder knows to avoid mass loss you have to go at it slow .5-1lb a week deficit or its defiantly muscle mass you are losing. hence 12-16 week cuts , and some hard gainers is 20--22 week cuts.

thread hijack!

but everyone looks up to you guys , a bit too much they dont even learn what they need to eat or what their actual requirements are. If gbruce or 405 said i have to eat 2400 calories that's what im gonna eat! its painful to read threads in the diet forum lately.

I'm on my phone so can't reply in detail now, but all I can say is I always try to educate people and even more, try to get them to educate themselves. I make suggestions, or tell people 'personally I would....' but I rarely get involved in 'telling' people what to do. Where are these threads you're referring to, and who are the people giving this advice you disagree with? I don't know if you're referring to me and/or 405, but I can tell you I hardly ever reply to 'critique my diet' threads these days, quite frankly because it bores me and I'm kinda burned out from it.

As for fats... again I can only offer my personal opinion and experience along with the experiences of others I've worked with not just here but on a personal level. I have never said fats are bad - I'm well aware of how essential they are and the role they play with regard to test production among other functions. I'm simply not a fan of the 'high fat lower carb' school of dieting. A few years ago the trend around here was how carbs are bad, bla bla etc. IMO, it's all about balance. If people aren't doing the legwork and finding what really works for them as an individual, they're only short changing themselves. I'm sleeping like a baby at night knowing I gave what I believe is solid advice.

There, a long winded response. You sucked me in... fcker!

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ok mock i am going to try to be thorough here for u.

1. my diet above that precipitated ur quote and comment on dietary fat amounts consisted of 3 difft caloric and macronutrient days with different values. the first:
training day maintenance diet:
4466cals
403g pro
497g carbs
101g fat
101 x 9 = 909cals from fat

909/4466 = .2035% cals from fat (not 15% or less)

the second:

non-training day:
1602cals
159g pro
94g carbs
63g fat

63 x 9 = 567

567/1602 = .3539% cals from fat (not less than 15%)

the third:
1274cals
134g pro
51g carbs (15g fiber)
57g fat

57 x 9 = 513

513/1274 = .4026% cals from fat (NOT 15% or less)

due to these calculations i am failing to see why u chose this post to initiate ur argument??

also up until this point i thought we had a fairly amicable relationship. i cant tell from this hijack whether or not ur intentions are good or bad??

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Yes but people are not finding out what works for them, there seems to be a fanboi mentality of this board lately that fats are bad and fat makes you fat, and as u said fat is stored as fat. Its using the right fats at the right times to have proper delivery of fats to help promote test production and weight loss.

fanboi mentality?

fanboi: Someone who is hopelessly devoted to something and will like anything associated with thier particular thing.

so what the heck is this supposed to mean? typically when people come on to this site they dont know a lot and are looking for help. the guys who have been here or in this lifestyle (fitness/bodybuilding) offer their experience and knowledge to the new guys in good faith to try to help them and teach them. i know i do this to show appreciation for those who did it for me. naturally the new guys are going to value what we say to a certain extent. i encourage everyone to learn for themselves and seek answers for themselves, but in the beginning it helps to have someone guide you until u get ur feet wet..

Every post in the past 5 weeks on lean bulking seems to be like "WATCH OUT BROTHER , DONT EAT FATS." Yes ask any good body builder on his show prep, butter, fish oil and other animal fats are consumed in large amounts.

im not sure how u compare a contest-prep diet to a lean bulking diet? why are u comparing them to try to make a point?? it is common knowledge to not have large quantities of fats and carbs present simultaneously. i think this applies more toward an overall than meal by meal. the tactics for a contest prep and a lean bulk are gonna be totally different..

Its painful to see this forum is going into teh direction of just use more gear to look jacked, dont eat fat just have massive carb refeeds and you will be swole and the idea that everyone has a very high LBM but refuse to get proper tested to take in account , brain, bone density and organ mass. so their rmr is way off for finding true tdee.

considering i have NEVER run an AAS cycle it should be obvious i do not condone this behavior, and from what i have seen none of the Vets or Knowledgeable Members endorse "just use more gear to get jacked". this is simply a B.S. statement from every post i have seen. where do u get the idea we assume everyone has a high LBM?? i almost always recommend BOD POD to everyone i advise dietarily. are u just making this stuff up as u go along??

Is a generation of gear use for aesthetics and goggling diet plans. Heck how many board members are using UD2.0 that are 12-18% body fat when they could easily lose the weight with a simpler approach and then they stall when they get sub 11% and dont get me started on the whole " bro im losing fat weight only and no muscle mass , im so jacked" then they say they are losing 3-4lbs a week. When even the most amateur bodybuilder knows to avoid mass loss you have to go at it slow .5-1lb a week deficit or its defiantly muscle mass you are losing. hence 12-16 week cuts , and some hard gainers is 20--22 week cuts.

i personally have only seen a couple board members use UD2.0 and from what i recall they were 12-14% bf.. if u read UD2 Lyle MacDonald (the author) states:
"First and foremost, if you're a male, you should have no more than 15% bodyfat, female no more than 22% bodyfat."

based on this u need to re-think the figures u posted above as they are inaccurate.. furthermore i always recommend using the simplest approach to diet first. more complex methods should only be applied when necessary. i learned this from Lyle MacDonald...

thread hijack!

yes it is and im still unsure of the basis for it!?

but everyone looks up to you guys , a bit too much they dont even learn what they need to eat or what their actual requirements are. If gbruce or 405 said i have to eat 2400 calories that's what im gonna eat! its painful to read threads in the diet forum lately.

this above post right here is what i really dont get! u say everyone looks up to us "a bit too much" ??? how do u know how much people do or dont look up to us? what are u basing this observation on, and how do u quantify it in such a way as to ascribe the value "too much" to it?? if this is done based on the posts above, then it is in error because i havent found anything u said (as it applies to me personally and from what ive seen GB as well) to hold water..

it appears moreso that ur estimation of me and GB being "looked up to too much" to be more of an emotionally based statement. as a self-proclaimed researcher i shouldnt have to warn u of the potential for inaccuracy when u start throwing emotion into equations. i will say this is only my opinion..

on a final note i would like to give u my own observation: i have not and do not follow what u do on here BUT most of what i have seen from u lately has simply been argumentative in nature, offering nothing more than trying to prove someone wrong and insinuate that u know better. IMO u would fare better to spend less time trying to beat down other members who are trying to help others and spend more time practicing what u preach!