Look, I appreciate feed back, and of course I want help hence why I posted this. I want to do it because I want to see how great of results I can get aside from doing it naturally. And of course I want to build muscle, don't we all. My responses are meant to narrow down the answers I'm seeking for. I'm looking for people with knowledge about this so they can help me how to take this properly and safely, not to discourage me from trying it. Because after all this forum is for steroids, not for natural right? Not trying to be a dick, or a smart ass, just to get some info.