Hcg

[MikeIcon]

I would like to know how to incorporate HCG into my cycle. Should I take HCG throughout my cycle or just PCT. If so what is the best way to run HCG? Thanks.

[kelevra]

A lot of different ways. Some can depend on how you react to estrogen levels. I normally run with cycle @about 250iu weekly starting in week 2 or 3. But you can run some bigger dosages at the end of cycle. Like 1500-2500iu 2x weekly for 2 weeks. A lot of ways to run it and a lot of them work.

[EASTCOASTKID]

Here you go mike grab a protein shake and start reading....





HCG: human chorionic gonadotropin
With this in mind prudent use of HCG is DURING a cycle.

HCG can be taken either IM or sub Q in the fat and yes you can mix it with your oils.
Take it at 500iu's every 3rd or 4th day while on cycle.

This does nothing with regard to inhibition of the hypothalamus and pituitary. Rather it acts like LH, and causes the testicles to produce testosterone just as if LH were present. It is useful then for avoiding testicular atrophy during the cycle. The best dosing method is to use small amounts frequently: 500 IU per day is sufficient, and 1000 IU may optionally be used. The amount may be given as a single daily dose or divided into two doses. Administration may be intramuscular or subcutaneous. More is not better: too much HCG can result in downregulation of the LH receptors in the testes, and is therefore counterproductive. Overdosing of HCG can also result in gynecomastia. Athlete should iniect 5000 IU every 5 days. Since the testosterone level, as explained, remains considerably elevated for several days, it is unnecessary to inject HCG more than once every 5 days. The relative dose is at the discretion of the athlete and should be determined based on the duration of his previous steroid intake and on the strength of the various steroid compounds. Athletes who take steroids for more than three months and athletes who use primarily the highly androgenic steroids such as Androlic, Sustanon 250, Cypionate, Dianabol (D-bol) etc. should take a relatively high dosage. The effective dosage for athletes is usually 2000-5000 IU per injection and should, as already mentioned, be injected every 5 days. HCG should only be taken for a 4 weeks maximum.
Manufacturer: Bharat Serums & Vaccines Limited, India
Pharmaceutical name: Human Chorionic Gonadotropin, highly purified
Pack: 5000iu vial & solution

HCG is not an anabolic/androgenic steroid but a natural protein hormone which develops in the placenta of a pregnant woman. HCG is formed in the placenta immediately after nidation. It has luteinizing characteristics since it is quite similar to the luteinizing hormone LH in the anterior pituitary gland. During the first 6-8 weeks of a pregnancy the formed HCG allows for continued production of estrogens and gestagens in the yellow bodies (corpi luteum). Later on, the placenta itself produces these two hormones.

Take your 250iu twice weekly, the day after each of your test injections. IF PROBLEMS……

HCG is manufactured from the urine of pregnant women since it is exereted in unchanged form from the blood via the woman's urine, passing through the kidneys. The commercially available HCG is sold as a dry substance and can be used both in men and women. In women injectable HCG allows for owlation since it influences the last stages of the development of the ovum, thus stimulating ovulation. It also helps produce estrogens and yellow bodies. The fact that exogenous HCG has characteristics almost identical to those of the luteinizing hormone (LH) which, as mentioned, is produced in the hypophysis, makes HCG so very interesting for athletes. In a man the luteinizing hormone stimulates the Leydig's cells in the testes; this in turn stimulates production of androgenic hormones (testosterone). For this reason athletes use injectable HCG to increase the testosterone production.

HCG is often used in combination with anabolic/androgenic steroids during or after treatment. As mentioned, oral and injectable steroids cause a negative feedback after a certain level and duration of usage. A signal is sent to the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis since the steroids give the hypothalamus an incorrect signal. The hypothalamus, in turn, signals the hypophysis to reduce or stop the production of FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) and of LH. Thus, the testosterone production decreases since the testosterone-producing Leydig's cells in the testes, due to decreased LH, are no longer sufficiently stimulated. Since the body usually needs a certain amount of time to get its testosterone production going again, the athlete, after discontinuing steroid compounds, experiences a difficult transition phase which often goes hand in hand with a considerable loss in both strength and muscle mass. Administering HCG directly after steroid treatment helps to reduce this condition because HCG increases the testosterone production in the testes very quickly and reliably. In the event of testicular atrophy caused by megadoses and very long periods of usage, HCG also helps to quickly bring the testes back to their original condition (size). Since occasional injections of HCG during steroid intake can avoid a testicular atrophy, many athletes use HCG for two to three weeks in the middle of their steroid treatment. It is often observed that during this time the athlete makes his best progress with respect to gains in both strength and muscle mass. The reasons for this is clear. On the one hand, by taking HCG the athlete's own testosterone level immediately jumps up and, on the other hand, a large concentration of anabolic substances in the blood is induced by the steroids. Many bodybuilders, powerlifters, and weightlifters report a lower sex drive at the end of a difficult workout cycle, immediately before or after a competition, and especially toward the end of a steroid treatment. Athletes who have often taken steroids in the past usually accept this fact since they know that it is a temporary condition. Those, however who are on the juice all year round, who might suffer psychological consequences or who would perhaps risk the breakup of a relationship because of this should consider this drawback when taking HCG in regular intervals. A reduced libido and spermatogenesis due to steroids in most cases, can be successfully cured by treatment with HCG.

Most athletes, however, use HCG at the end of a treatment in order to avoid a "crash," that is, to achieve the best possible transition into "natural training." A precondition, however, is that the steroid intake or dosage be reduced slowly and evenly before taking HCG. Although HCG causes a quick and significant increase of the endogenic plasmatestosterone level, unfortunately it is not a perfect remedy to prevent the loss of strength and mass at the end of a steroid treatment. The athlete will only experience a delayed re-adjustment, as has often been observed. Although HCG does stimulate endogenous testosterone production, it does not help in reestablishing the normal hypothalamic/pituitary testicular axis. The hypothalamus and pituitary are still in a refractory state after prolonged steroid usage, and remain this way while HCG is being used, because the endogenous testosterone produced as a result of the exogenous HCG represses the endogenous LH production. Once the HCG is discontinued, the athlete must still go through a re-adjustment period. This is merely delayed by the HCG use. For this reason experienced athletes often take Clomid and Clenbuterol following HCG intake or they immediately begin another steroid treatment. Some take HCG merely to get off the "steroids" for at least two to three weeks.

Many bodybuilders, unfortunately, are still of the opinion that HCG helps them become harder while preparing for a competion by breaking down subcutaneous fat so that indentations and vascularity are better exposed. The HCG package insert states clearly that HCG has no known effect of fat mobilization, appetite or sense of hunger, or body fat distribution. HCG has not been demonstrated to be effective adjunctive therapy in the treatment of obesity, it does not increase fat losses beyond that resulting from caloric restriction.

Athlete should iniect 5000 IU every 5 days. Since the testosterone level, as explained, remains considerably elevated for several days, it is unnecessary to inject HCG more than once every 5 days. The relative dose is at the discretion of the athlete and should be determined based on the duration of his previous steroid intake and on the strength of the various steroid compounds. Athletes who take steroids for more than three months and athletes who use primarily the highly androgenic steroids such as Androlic, Sustanon 250, Cypionate, Dianabol (D-bol) etc. should take a relatively high dosage. The effective dosage for athletes is usually 2000-5000 IU per injection and should, as already mentioned, be injected every 5 days. HCG should only be taken for a 4 weeks maximum.

If HCG is taken by male athletes over many weeks and in high dosages, it is possible that the testes will respond poorly to a later HCG intake and a release of the body's own LH. This could result in a permanent inadequate gonadal function. Cycles on the HCG should be kept down to around 3 weeks at a time with an off cycle of at least a month in between. For example, one might use the HCG for 2 or 3 weeks in the middle of a cycle, and for 2 or 3 weeks at the end of a cycle. It has been speculated that the prolonged use of HCG could permanently, repress the body's own production of gonadotropins. This is why short cycles are the best way to go.

HCG can in part cause side effects similar to those of injectable testosterone. A higher testosterone production also goes hand in hand with an elevated estrogen level which could result in gynecomastia. This could manifest itself in a temporary growth of breasts or reinforce already existing breast growth in men. Farsighted athletes thus combine HCG with an antiestrogen. Male athletes also report more frequent erections and an inereased sexual desire. In high doses it can cause acne vulgaris and the storing of minerals and water. The last point must especially be observed since the water retention which is possible through the use of HCG could give the muscle system a puffy and watery appearance. Athletes who have already increased their endogenous testosterone level by taking Clomid and intend subsequently to take HCG could experience considerable water retention and distinct feminization symptoms (gynecomastia, tendency toward fat deposits on the hips). This is due to the fact that high testosterone leads to a high conversion rate to estrogens. In very young athletes HCG, like anabolic steroids, can cause an early stunting of growth since it prematurely closes the epiphysial growth plates. Mood swings and high blood pressure can also be attributed to the intake of HCG. HCG is also suitable as "over bridge" doping before a competition with doping controls.

HCG's form of administration is also unusual. The substance choriongonadotropin is a white powdery freeze-dried substance which is usually used as a compress. Based on the low structural stability of this compress it can easily fall apart, thus giving the impression of a reduced volume. This is, however, insignificant since there is neither a loss in effect nor a loss of substance. Each package, for each HCG ampule, includes another ampule with an injection solution containing isotonic sodium chloride. This liquid, after both ampules have been opened in a sterile manner, is injected into the HCG ampule and mixed with the dried substance. The solution is then ready for use and should be injected intramuscularly. If only part of the substance is injected the residual solution should be stored in the refrigerator. It is not necessary to store the unmixed HCG in the refrigerator; however, it should be kept out of light and below a temperature of 25C. HCG is a relatively expensive compound.

[MikeIcon]

Say if I want to run it at 250iu/week with my cycle. Do I stop at the end of my cycle and begin again at 1500iu 2x weekly when I start my PCT or just continue non-stop through both cycle?

[EASTCOASTKID]

This is a note from one of the VETS on here.



1. PH/Designer Steroid PCT

wk 1-4 Tamox 20mg/ED

OR

wk 1-4 Clomid 25mg/ED (50mg/ED week 1)


2. Test Enan/Prop Cycle Lasting 6-14 Weeks

wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED
wk 1-6 Tore 60mg/ED (120mg/ED first 14 days) OR Clomid 25mg/ED (50-100mg/ED first 7-14 days)
*HCG 250ius 2-3 times/wk (on cycle)
*Aromasin 10mg/EOD (on cycle)



3. Aggressive PCT (shutdown for 16-52+ weeks)

wk 1-8 Tamox 20mg/ED (40mg/ED first 7 days)
wk 1-8 Tore 60mg/ED (120mg/ED first 14 days, 100mg/ED next 7 days)
*HCG 250ius 2-3 times/wk (on cycle, every 8-10 weeks take a 2-3 week break [E2/PgR])
*HCG should also be ramped to 500ius 14-21 days from PCT
*Aromasin 10mg/EOD (on cycle)

[MikeIcon]

@ ECK This explains a lot. Thank you for this information.

[kelevra]

Say if I want to run it at 250iu/week with my cycle. Do I stop at the end of my cycle and begin again at 1500iu 2x weekly when I start my PCT or just continue non-stop through both cycle?

no, you shouldn't have to

[MikeIcon]

no, you shouldn't have to

Thanks a bunch all. Got my answer.

[EASTCOASTKID]

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Arimidex: Anastrozole(an as' troe zole)
Most commonly called Arimidex, this substance is a true aromatase inhibitor which works by blocking the aromatase enzyme in the body, thus limiting the amount of estrogen buildup that takes place. This compound has obvious benefits to bodybuilders who use aromatizing steroids such as testosterone. These individuals might face estrogen related side effects such as water bloat and "gyno", but by taking GP Anastrozole while on cycle, the chance of any of these sides are greatly reduced. In studies that have been done, Arimidex has been shown to reduce estrogen in the body by roughly 50%. This is a good balance for bodybuilders , because some estrogen is needed in order for the full anabolic benefits of the steroids being taken to be achieved. These results are typically the same with a dosage of .5 mg a day as they are with a dosage of 1 mg a day, meaning that in most cases, a half tablet a day will be sufficient for estrogen control throughout cycle. Typically, bodybuilders using GP Anastrozole will begin taking it the day they start their cycle, and will run it throughout the duration of steroid administration. It is also important to point out GP Anastrozole’s ability to increase testosterone in the body. Some studies have shown that natural testosterone levels have increases as much as 60% after the use of this substance for 7 days. Because of this, bodybuilders find this drug extremely effective during PCT where as they are trying to elevate natural levels as much as possible in order to avoid a post cycle "crash". It is generally recommended that upon discontinuance of steroid use, that one continue to run Anastrozole throughout the duration of their PCT regime. (4-6) weeks.

Clomid: Clomiphene After a cycle is over, Clomid at 50 mg/day is usually very effective in restoring natural testosterone production. It acts by blocking estrogen receptors at the hypothalamus and pituitary. If androgen levels are not elevated, this is enough to cause production of at least normal amounts of LH, or often more LH than normal. During the cycle Clomid cannot prevent inhibition, though some think using it during the cycle will allow a faster recovery afterwards. That is not proven though. If nothing else, though, it is useful as an antigyno/antibloating agent during the cycle.
Users often take the drug in a dosage of 100 a day for 4-6 weeks

Nolvadex: Tamoxifen(ta mox' i fen) This works in the same manner as Clomid, but not nearly so well with regard to reversing inhibition. It is better to use this only as an anti-gyno/antibloating agent, if at all. If Clomid is used, there is no need for Nolvadex.GP Nolva by Geneza Pharmaceuticals is an oral preparation containing 20mg of the substance Tamoxifen. Nolvadex is not a steroid, rather a selective estrogen blocker. While Nolvadex doesn't prevent the buildup of estrogen in the body, it does prevent it from acting on certain receptors, most notably, those located in the nipples. This has obvious benefits to bodybuilders, because this is the area in which "gyno" occurs during the use of aromatizing steroids such as testosterone. Nolvadex also offers another great benefit to bodybuilders due to the fact that it can greatly increase the amount of testosterone that the body makes by stimulating LH production. This makes the drug a great choice for PCT. While the drug has obvious benefits concerning estrogen buildup in the body, it is important to note that it can have adverse effects towards progesterone related steroids. Because of this, it's recommended that bodybuilders don't use Nolvadex in conjunction with steroids such as Deca or Trenbolone. It's also important to note that Nolvadex doesn't reduce estrogen throughout the body, and that those athletes looking to minimize overall water retention and bloat should look towards true estrogen blockers such as Anastrozole or Exemestane. Bodybuilders often use Nolvadex in doses of 25-75mgs a day throughout cycle duration where gyno is a concern. Those looking to incorporate Nolvadex into their PCT program will typically run the substance at similar doses for 4-6 upon the discontinued use of all steroids.

[MikeIcon]

Copy, print, bookmark for reference. Great stuff and thanks again. It say that Nova is not needed if running Clomid but why do I see many people running these both in the same PCT?

[EASTCOASTKID]

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[MikeIcon]

Did that found too many opinions. Thought I get a clearer understanding by posting anyway. Got more information then I expected. Thanks again.

[EASTCOASTKID]

One thing to keep in mind is that everyone is different. What works for me may not work for you.

Just read as much as you can and you will find what works for you. A lot of it is trial and error, but at least you can get a starting point from this site.

[MikeIcon]

One thing to keep in mind is that everyone is different. What works for me may not work for you.

Just read as much as you can and you will find what works for you. A lot of it is trial and error, but at least you can get a starting point from this site.

Greatly appreciated.

[maaktanwar]

What should I do if i had taken overdose

I had taken hucog 5000iu after 10 days of my cycling
Next day again 5000iu. And 1000iu on 3rd day
In three days i have loose motions now its 5 days i have not taken any thing
But my testies are not behaving normal what should I do?
Plz help me out.

[tigerspawn]

Thanks very informative thread