$hit Genes - How To Fix This??? Quit???

[dinogoesrawr]

Not to sounds mean but see the bold. None of what you posted is abnormal for someone staring out with weight training but if you thought it would only take a shot of test and a few months you read too many comic books. It takes years, even with steroids. You'll also never have the body you want of you don't work your core for the first few YEARS. Not months. I have spent well over 50k on supplements, legal ones, like vitamins and quality protein. Another several hundred thousand on food. Maybe a few thousand on steroids. See the weighted curve there? Food, supplements, roids in that order. Everything you need is on this forum. Frustration comes from unrealistic expectations. slow down.

Your telling me its normal to put on 10kg and then loose results during a cycle even though your upper calories and eat more quality food and are able to lift double the weight you previously could? Your telling me its normal to train for months with roids and quality supps and hardcore training and not even see a few mm on your arms or a slightly slimmer waist or something? Your telling me its possible to lift way more the the other dudes in the gym who have decent bodies and yet look 100x worse then them?
I dont buy that sorry....
The only thing that's gone up is BF% from what I see

[Java Man]

Your telling me its normal to put on 10kg and then loose results during a cycle even though your upper calories and eat more quality food and are able to lift double the weight you previously could? Your telling me its normal to train for months with roids and quality supps and hardcore training and not even see a few km on your arms or a slightly slimmer waist or something?
I dont buy that sorry....

Whatever. I didn't read this shit in a book, boy. I have been at this game for 23 years. You said you have been lifting for a few months. MONTHS. you don't even know what compounds youre stacking. Youre stubborn and obviously are waiting to hear what you already decided is appropriate on your own great mind. So be it. You have my advice and that of greater bodies and minds than mine and so far didn't look like you have taken any of it. With that I wish you luck and leave you.

[dinogoesrawr]

Whatever. I didn't read this shit in a book, boy. I have been at this game for 23 years. You said you have been lifting for a few months. MONTHS. you don't even know what compounds youre stacking. Youre stubborn and obviously are waiting to hear what you already decided is appropriate on your own great mind. So be it. You have my advice and that of greater bodies and minds than mine and so far didn't look like you have taken any of it. With that I wish you luck and leave you.

Again with compounds BS? I already answered this above!!!
I'm wanting to hear what in doing wrong not 'give it time and more time and more time and more time and even when you don't see changes just keep going blindly because it will come eventually' as we all know that's COMPLETE BS. Like I said 50 times above IM NOT LOOKING TO GET HUGE OVERNIGHT but did expect SOME changes - even tiny ones - on my body after months of juicing and training. You cannot deny this and you know this is true which is why you avoided answering the question and gave the generic speech above..

Edit: I typed this before the water bloat post above.
In response to that - the cycle I was on was supposed to have no/little water bloat which is why my PT recommended the cycle he gave me. He's tried other cycles and says many guys have the water bloat issue which is why he doesn't recommend that cycle.

[Java Man]

Your telling me its normal to put on 10kg and then loose results during a cycle even though your upper calories and eat more quality food and are able to lift double the weight you previously could? Your telling me its normal to train for months with roids and quality supps and hardcore training and not even see a few mm on your arms or a slightly slimmer waist or something? Your telling me its possible to lift way more the the other dudes in the gym who have decent bodies and yet look 100x worse then them?
I dont buy that sorry....
The only thing that's gone up is BF% from what I see

That was probably water bloat, which you subsequently lost because you have messed up your system. roids aren't magic. Get off them and train for a few years without them. I'll not be back in this thread so don't give me a witty response.