I just have to say for me... Test is just the all time best. I can bulk and I can lean up. Now that being said Test and Tren did a good job but at my age (62) the Tren take's it toll.

I will clarify first by saying I do long cycles.
So I will conclude by saying Test in excess of 1 gram wk Enanthate with Test Prop as a kicker in the beginning and some what used throughout with a finish of Winstrol to get tight , lean and vascular for the last 4 weeks. ...crazy mike