Which one do u prefer?

[zlatko995]

Hi guys, i have a doubt... Do you prefer an aas alone or combinated? For example, do u prefer 500mg testo alone, or 250testo+250 masteron (tot 500mg like the first one)? And Why? Thank u

[Hazard]

Depends on what you're looking to attain. Between the two you mentioned..... I'd go test 500 every time.

If I could only use one compound for the rest of my life..... It'd be test.

[austinite]

Agree with Hazard. 250 test + 250 masteron is worthless.

[MajorPectorial]

Yeh. But. 250test is wot I work with rather than bang up the dose if I up the dose I just pin more. Simple

[zlatko995]

Agree with Hazard. 250 test + 250 masteron is worthless.

Thanks buddy... But Why? Isnt also a 500mg of aas? They can work good togheter...

[austinite]

Thanks buddy... But Why? Isnt also a 500mg of aas? They can work good togheter...

Well that's not how that works. You have to take enough of each compound to make an impact based on what it's capable of doing. Masteron is not effective in doses under 500mg.

So 100 test + 100 mast + 100 primo + 100 deca + 100 EQ would still be weak.

[zlatko995]

Well that's not how that works. You have to take enough of each compound to make an impact based on what it's capable of doing. Masteron is not effective in doses under 500mg.

So 100 test + 100 mast + 100 primo + 100 deca + 100 EQ would still be weak.

What are the effective doses of test, deca? If u count that each testicle produce 75mg of testosterone a week, the effective doses should be also 250mg a week... What about deca? Which is a good stack?

[spiralkut]

Your body wont produce the same amount of Testosterone if your pumping it in, because your body will realize it has enough already

[zlatko995]

Your body wont produce the same amount of Testosterone if your pumping it in, because your body will realize it has enough already

Sure i know

[spiralkut]

so why would you only use an amount that your body can produce itself?

[gearbox]

so why would you only use an amount that your body can produce itself?

That makes no sense. We use much more then our bodies can produce cause thats how we make gains. expecially those pushing there genetic limit

[spiralkut]

That makes no sense. We use much more then our bodies can produce cause thats how we make gains. expecially those pushing there genetic limit

if your body creates 250mg a week like he stated (weather we do or not i have no idea) and by putting in AAS at 250mg your natural test production is going to lower why would you then only put in what you can produce yourself?

[Gaspaco]

if your body creates 250mg a week like he stated (weather we do or not i have no idea) and by putting in AAS at 250mg your natural test production is going to lower why would you then only put in what you can produce yourself?

Body produces around 5mg day! Where did you get 250mg?

[OnTheSauce]

if your body creates 250mg a week like he stated (weather we do or not i have no idea) and by putting in AAS at 250mg your natural test production is going to lower why would you then only put in what you can produce yourself?

People do this on certain cycles where you want another compound to do the work and just use enough test to maintain normal bodily functions. Something like 525 tren a week and 200 test. You're only using enough test to function normal and letting the tren do its thing.

[spiralkut]

yeah but i mean using the 250 test alone without other compounds. I think thats what the OP was saying he was gonna do in his 3rd or 4th post

[spiralkut]

Body produces around 5mg day! Where did you get 250mg?

like i said as he stated the OP i got no idea how much we produce

[zlatko995]

I said that we produce naturally 75mg testosterone a week. So also if i do a 200mg shot a week, it should be effective cause it is always more than the normal 75mg produced naturally... So Why not 250+ other juice (for an amount of 500-600mg) and Why yes 500mg test alone? What should be combined with testo if masteron effective dosage is around 500mg like austinite said? (Well ive seen many amateur Pre contest doing 300mg a week of masteron, and it works Very Well....)

[austinite]

I said that we produce naturally 75mg testosterone a week. So also if i do a 200mg shot a week, it should be effective cause it is always more than the normal 75mg produced naturally... So Why not 250+ other juice (for an amount of 500-600mg) and Why yes 500mg test alone? What should be combined with testo if masteron effective dosage is around 500mg like austinite said? (Well ive seen many amateur Pre contest doing 300mg a week of masteron, and it works Very Well....)

that's not how it works and not comparable. the 75mg you produce weekly does not compound.

[Gaspaco]

I said that we produce naturally 75mg testosterone a week. So also if i do a 200mg shot a week, it should be effective cause it is always more than the normal 75mg produced naturally... So Why not 250+ other juice (for an amount of 500-600mg) and Why yes 500mg test alone? What should be combined with testo if masteron effective dosage is around 500mg like austinite said? (Well ive seen many amateur Pre contest doing 300mg a week of masteron, and it works Very Well....)

200mg is not all test, you have to count the ester weight.

[austinite]

You also have to factor in metabolism. Just because you inject 250 mg of something that week, does not mean you metabolized 250 mg. Far far far less actually.

[zlatko995]

You also have to factor in metabolism. Just because you inject 250 mg of something that week, does not mean you metabolized 250 mg. Far far far less actually.

Understood finally for u, for a bulk cycle is better 500mg testo then 300testo+200deca or something like that?

[austinite]

Understood finally for u, for a bulk cycle is better 500mg testo then 300testo+200deca or something like that?

Diet will determine the gains. But 500 test would yield better results assuming everything else is equal.

You really have to stop adding compounds to total 500mg. Makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever. You're only confusing yourself.

[zlatko995]

Diet will determine the gains. But 500 test would yield better results assuming everything else is equal.

You really have to stop adding compounds to total 500mg. Makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever. You're only confusing yourself.

Ok, thanks again austinite

[Krb367]

So Why not 250+ other jxxce (for an amount of 500-600mg)

I don't understand anything that you've been asking.. I'm not sure if its because of your grammar and punctuation, due to what you're trying to say making no sense, or a combination of both.

Are you implying that running Test X 250mg a week, stacked with random Gear X 250mg a week is going to be the equivalent of running one single compound 500mg per week?

Are you fishing for someone to indirectly put together a cycle for you?

[Krb367]

You really have to stop adding compounds to total 500mg. Makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever. You're only confusing yourself.

And me!* lol

[crazy mike]

This thread and OP's Q's are some stupid sh!t. Different compounds aide the body to do different things. Test being the base hormone. The others have different anabolic and androgenic values and help accomplish different activities within your system.
That's why we input the base Testosterone in and increased dose to aide the body to do more of what the hormone Testosterone does naturally. It makes it more extreme, enhances, exaggerates the process. So then we input different compound that due the same in what we are trying to accomplish. This I speak in layman's terms , General statements I say. Get the point OP. There is a base dose of things like test that start to produce exaggerated results such as 500mgs of test for a beginner. That's my 2 cents on this crazy thread. ...crazy mike


OP have you studied the steroid profiles at all.????

[justo]

Well that's not how that works. You have to take enough of each compound to make an impact based on what it's capable of doing. Masteron is not effective in doses under 500mg.

So 100 test + 100 mast + 100 primo + 100 deca + 100 EQ would still be weak.

This maybe a stupid comparison but how does sustanon work well then? Isit because there all test compounds?

[Krb367]

This maybe a stupid comparison but how does sustanon work well then? Isit because there all test compounds?

Yes.. Sustanon is blend of 4 different estherized testosterones right.. The mix is to provide you with more stable testosterone levels due to the different half lives.. I always thought of it kind of like an extended release OTC pill.. Lol not sure how good of a metaphor that is but :P

[crazy mike]

This maybe a stupid comparison but how does sustanon work well then? Isit because there all test compounds?

I think sustanon is garbage. I think all the blends are junk. I believe if you talk to most of the more experience cyclers you will find that they use specific esters to accomplish what results they want. I have used a blend and I like , or I know I do better when I plug in a short ester for a purpose at a given time and or length of time for my wanted purpose and to aide my long ester to do what primary purpose I have in mind. ...crazy mike

[crazy mike]

Yes.. Sustanon is blend of 4 different estherized testosterones right.. The mix is to provide you with more stable testosterone levels due to the different half lives.. I always thought of it kind of like an extended release OTC pill.. Lol not sure how good of a metaphor that is but :P

The problem guys is that it doesn't do that. The short esters are long gone in between injections allowing the surge if you will , to drop while the long ester is not a big enough dose. If I were to do the type od dose to get enough of the long ester in me for a big enough dose I would be way over dosing the short ester. Not good. ...crazy mike

[crazy mike]

Guys another unwanted side from the blends is PIP. Many time a good dose of a blend will produce more PIP than using what you specifically want with each single ester at a time. ...crazy mike

[justo]

Guys another unwanted side from the blends is PIP. Many time a good dose of a blend will produce more PIP than using what you specifically want with each single ester at a time. ...crazy mike

Lol that explains this soreness I got. Virgin muscle aswell I know

[Krb367]

The problem guys is that it doesn't do that. The short esters are long gone in between injections allowing the surge if you will , to drop while the long ester is not a big enough dose. If I were to do the type od dose to get enough of the long ester in me for a big enough dose I would be way over dosing the short ester. Not good. ...crazy mike

I think I understand what you're saying.. It's almost as the sustanon is contradicting itself? Every time someone I know brings up sust, they speak of it as its a super test.. Simply because its "4 tests in 1!" And 9 times out of 10 that person is ignorant to how the mix actually works (speaking on the blends of esters.)

[crazy mike]

I think I understand what you're saying.. It's almost as the sustanon is contradicting itself? Every time someone I know brings up sust, they speak of it as its a super test.. Simply because its "4 tests in 1!" And 9 times out of 10 that person is ignorant to how the mix actually works (speaking on the blends of esters.)

Yep, you got it. Also look at who is using the blends. Not many vets. The blends have you think you are getting the best of all the worlds, but you are not Take a look at the dosing. How do you run 500mg or 750mg a week of Test long ester without over dosing the short esters. ...crazy mike

Educate before you medicate ...crazy mike