First pin, wasn't expecting this...XD

[qscgugcsq]

Ok, today I pinned oil based for the first time...

At first I was like, Won't be too different than with B12... a bit thicker and that's all...

I've pinned before in the glute with a 25g, Injection pain was minimal, and all went smooth. steady hand and everything, went great with B12.

this morning I did 1.5ml of prop.

During drawing... I was like "well... it's thick" but nothing too bad.(I draw with a 22g)
I switched needle and start injecting with a 25g.

Strangely, this time enter the needle into the glute hurts... like I said I pinned before with 25g and it was ok, this morning it hurt(not alot but I clearly felt it going in). I think I just contracted the muscle due to stress or whatever...

I aspirate and nothing comes out... After that I injected...

GOD DAMN IT'S THICK! I've often read that 1ml/minute is a good speed to minimize PIP. I thought that we had to do it super slow and that we could do it way faster...

I wasn't expecting it to be so thick and so hard to push it in. so That made me move the needle a bit too much, it hurts... at mid injection I stopped and removed the needle. I get myself comfy on my bed and reinsert the needle and finish the oil... it hurt way more than with water based...

My hand was NOT steady at all...

It hurted quite a bit, but next time will be better and so on. SO I call that beginner's pain XD

It makes 2 hours of it now and I feel a little discomfort. I can touch/push the injection site with no pain.
However, contracting hurts a little.(I would not train my glute today). I don't know WHEN the PIP is suppose to appear. but...

virgin muscle + prop = I should know soon enough.

all that to ask, when the PIP is suppose to happen and how long it last ??

It will help me schedule my training and injection site.

Thanks, and I hope my little adventure of this morning makes you laugh a bit.

[Cuz]

nobody knows, man. too many factors that influence pip. Although im sure you will have quite a bit, 1.5ml of prop s a lot, what concentration was it?

[qscgugcsq]

100mg/ml, sciroxx prop. Lots of people said their prop was painless. Still i will get some due to virgin muscle...
and I certainly damage lots of muscle tissue with my poor technique XD

[Back In Black]

It's commonly accepted that teenagers get worse PIP than those of a suitable age to take AAS.

[kloter1]

lol bib

also when you hit the plunger to get air bubbles out and a little drop runs down the needle that will cause a lil pain too.

[Lunk1]

It's commonly accepted that teenagers get worse PIP than those of a suitable age to take AAS.

I was wondering why he said "it hurted" lol. Now I know!

[Aaron330]

Sounds awful lol.

[Capebuffalo]

2 Flintstones vitamins and 1 baby aspirin will take the sting out.

[crazy mike]

It's commonly accepted that teenagers get worse PIP than those of a suitable age to take AAS.

I was wondering why he said "it hurted" lol. Now I know!

2 Flintstones vitamins and 1 baby aspirin will take the sting out.

Wow... Unreal, PIP so bad... Why I never ? I would take a few more baby aspirin then 2. Ya know WTF are you doing at age 19 injecting yourself with anything. You are too young. Why are you using a 25G with oil when you don't know what you are doing?

Kid, The problem lies in not knowing anything and most of all being too young. You are too young, naïve , and uneducated so STOP. ...crazy mike

[ironbeck]

You sound like a pansy to me, this new generation is soft video gamers

[poppz]

2 flintstones vitamins and 1 baby aspirin will take the sting out.

lol..

[knuckles69]

You sound like a pansy to me, this new generation is soft video gamers

Lol ain't that the truth

[OnTheSauce]

You sound like a pansy to me, this new generation is soft video gamers

Hahahaha that's great

[D2'd]

25 gauge is a bit tiny I find. I'm using them now but I've also been pinning for a long time. A 23 gauge will speed up the process so your hand and fingers don't don't get gimpy especially when you're pinning in a difficult spot.

[Nobuddy]

lol bib

also when you hit the plunger to get air bubbles out and a little drop runs down the needle that will cause a lil pain too.

For real? Wow, talk about learning something new! I had always heard that the drop that runs down the pin was basically "lube" and helped. Then again, I'm not talking about (and have never used) prop. So maybe that's the difference. Not trying to get in sum1else's thread, or act like I know anything, I am just eager to learn and this is something I've never heard.

On a side note tho - for those who think any pin is painful, we messed up an ordered the wrong pins once. They were either 12 or 14G I don't recall, but we ran our whole cycle using em. I thought I got shot with a nail gun lol

[qscgugcsq]

For real? Wow, talk about learning something new! I had always heard that the drop that runs down the pin was basically "lube" and helped. Then again, I'm not talking about (and have never used) prop. So maybe that's the difference. Not trying to get in sum1else's thread, or act like I know anything, I am just eager to learn and this is something I've never heard.

On a side note tho - for those who think any pin is painful, we messed up an ordered the wrong pins once. They were either 12 or 14G I don't recall, but we ran our whole cycle using em. I thought I got shot with a nail gun lol

dont worry it really is to lube and make the process easier. They are only making fun of me.

if you was doing it, keep doing it, it will help you.

goddamn!! 12-14G!! look like a ****ing harpoon... If I remember 12-14g are for IV injection... It should have hurt as ****...


On a side note, This morning im not feeling any more pain than yesterday, So I guess the Prop is painless for me after all even for a virgin muscle.
The PIP I felt yesterday and that I'm still feeling today is probably due to my poor technique.

[Nobuddy]

Oh, OK, that makes sense. I thought - damn! Just when I think I understand what I'm doing lol.

Yea, the 12's were cannons.

Oh, one thing I CAN tell ya from experience - calves SUCK. Worse thing I ever did was stick (I think it was) 1.5ml in my calf. Even if yer running out of spots, u might wanna skip that one. God knows I will NEVER stick a calf again :-(

dont worry it really is to lube and make the process easier. They are only making fun of me.

if you was doing it, keep doing it, it will help you.

goddamn!! 12-14G!! look like a ****ing harpoon... If I remember 12-14g are for IV injection... It should have hurt as ****...


On a side note, This morning im not feeling any more pain than yesterday, So I guess the Prop is painless for me after all even for a virgin muscle.
The PIP I felt yesterday and that I'm still feeling today is probably due to my poor technique.

[qscgugcsq]

Oh, OK, that makes sense. I thought - damn! Just when I think I understand what I'm doing lol.

Yea, the 12's were cannons.

Oh, one thing I CAN tell ya from experience - calves SUCK. Worse thing I ever did was stick (I think it was) 1.5ml in my calf. Even if yer running out of spots, u might wanna skip that one. God knows I will NEVER stick a calf again :-(

Yeah I've read about some calve pinning experience...
Not willing to try it...

But I'm stupid maybe one day I'll do it just by curiosity XD

[crazy mike]

dont worry it really is to lube and make the process easier. They are only making fun of me.

if you was doing it, keep doing it, it will help you.

goddamn!! 12-14G!! look like a ****ing harpoon... If I remember 12-14g are for IV injection... It should have hurt as ****...


On a side note, This morning im not feeling any more pain than yesterday, So I guess the Prop is painless for me after all even for a virgin muscle.
The PIP I felt yesterday and that I'm still feeling today is probably due to my poor technique.

Dammm There is no such thing as virgin muscle. There is a build up of scar tissue in which it gets harder and loses it's elasticity. Then that can hurt more. I am not new at this, hardly, and sometimes I get PIP. It goes away. I use 22-23-25G. It goes with the territory. You are filling up space with a substance oil or water that has to sit and dissipate, each time you cut and tear tissue, and capillaries and little nerves. When do you think each one of those are going to get used to it. As well as you are always hitting new ones etc... Think, think, think guys don't just repeat what you don't know and or cannot explain...

!!! Now Get This ..."There Is No Such Thing As Virgin Muscle" Just ask more vets if you don't believe ...crazy mike