Doc will only give me Androgel 1.62

[CobraMustangSVT]

Hi,
Well, my insurance company does not want to deal with Gordon so I had to go back to my regular doc and he'll only give me Androgel 1.62. He does not want to give cypionate whatsoever. I made the argument about the price ($350 vs $$60) and complained to the insurance company and they said they'll cover it so I'm stuck.

Is this good or should I shop around and keep looking for another doc? How do I even dose this thing. It's a pump.

I was reading that I should take 2 pumps and apply them to my shoulders. The doc gave me 4 refills and said to see him in 2 months. He didn't give me any dosing instructions.

How should I do this?

Thanks

[powerlifterty16]

wat happened with gordon?

[CobraMustangSVT]

The insurance doesn't want to pay him. I didn't ask why, I'm just glad that they won't bother me about the bill.

[jay adams]

No instructions? Is your doc doing blood tests after two months? My doc did my bloods five weeks after beginning therapy and spoke with me weekly. I personally wouldn't use Androgel. I have kids that jump in bed with my wife and I. Plus, on this board most the guys switch to injections after not being satisfied.

[powerlifterty16]

The insurance doesn't want to pay him. I didn't ask why, I'm just glad that they won't bother me about the bill.

about what bill? the androgel? i had someone tell me that gordon is being investigated and possibly arrested, but the source was not credible.
Gordon may not be that good, but he is stll a licensed dr so idk why they wouldn't pay....i would have disputed it.
**** androgel.

[dreadnok89]

I like androgel and it has worked great for me.

[CobraMustangSVT]

about what bill? the androgel? i had someone tell me that gordon is being investigated and possibly arrested, but the source was not credible.
Gordon may not be that good, but he is stll a licensed dr so idk why they wouldn't pay....i would have disputed it.
**** androgel.

I don't think he's being investigated for anything criminal. The insurance asked him for records and he's taking his time getting it to them. When I called his office, they said that this is something common and they're used to it.

My ins just said that they will not pay him until his complies. His office said that they're going to ask for a $50 payment per visit and I'd get reimbursed when the ins. co. paid.

[CobraMustangSVT]

I like androgel and it has worked great for me.

Hi,
Are you still using it? How many pumps? What did your T levels get to? I'm contemplating giving it a try. The script has 5 refils and the ins. co. has a $40 co pay.

[EverettCD]

No dosing instructions & BW in two months, you need to find a new Dr. There's no reason why he shouldn't script you Test Cyp, the cost difference alone justifies it. He must be receiving substantial kickbacks for writing as many scripts as he can for the topicals.

[dreadnok89]

I do 4 pumps. My highest T total was 1225 and 35.6 free T. I can't see to switching to shots yet

[CobraMustangSVT]

I do 4 pumps. My highest T total was 1225 and 35.6 free T. I can't see to switching to shots yet

That is great. I'm gonna start with 2 pumps then and see what happens. Hopefully I can get around 600 or so with that

[dreadnok89]

However, my free t was high only because of me using aromas in it exestamane which is the generic form

[sirupate]

I like androgel and it has worked great for me.

Works pretty good for me too. On 4 pumps/day of the 1.62%, my total-T level was 904 and free-T was 36. Way too much bashing of the gels here. I agree the gels are too expensive, but they work well for some guys. OP...after your morning shower and towel off, rub one pump into each shoulder area as per the usual pictures and let dry. In fact, I rub the gel in until it is mostly dry. Apply clothes and go about your day.

If after labs you find out that the gel doesn't work for you, ask for injections or find another doctor. Frankly, 2 pumps is a starting dose and is probably too low, but that can be adjusted upwards as high as 6 pumps. Good luck.

[kelkel]

Amount to be applied should be on your prescription bottle when received. The pharmacy should not issue it without it. Agel is not for everyone but it may be perfect for you. You don't know until you try. It mimics the diurnal nature of our natural testosterone so there's nothing wrong with starting with it. Are you prescribed HCG as well?

[Low Testosterone]

No instructions? Is your doc doing blood tests after two months? My doc did my bloods five weeks after beginning therapy and spoke with me weekly. I personally wouldn't use Androgel. I have kids that jump in bed with my wife and I. Plus, on this board most the guys switch to injections after not being satisfied.

The idea of cross-contamination is perhaps one of the biggest overblown ideas in TRT. I'm convinced that the same people that said testosterone will force you to become a raging mass murder are the ones that started the contamination insanity. There are actually several documented studies where they have covered a man in testosterone cream and tied a women to him for 12-24hrs. How much cross-contamination was there in any of the studies? Zero.

[Low Testosterone]

Amount to be applied should be on your prescription bottle when received. The pharmacy should not issue it without it. Agel is not for everyone but it may be perfect for you. You don't know until you try. It mimics the diurnal nature of our natural testosterone so there's nothing wrong with starting with it. Are you prescribed HCG as well?

Agreed. There are a lot of guys that do very well with transdermal creams and gels. You won't know until you try. And yes, there are plenty of guys that have a very limited to no response, but again, you won't know until you try.
Now IMO, androgel is perhaps the worst of the worst when it comes to transdermal testosterones. It's extremely weak. The only reason physicians prescribe it is because they are bombarded by androgel reps like flies daily.

[kelkel]

The idea of cross-contamination is perhaps one of the biggest overblown ideas in TRT. I'm convinced that the same people that said testosterone will force you to become a raging mass murder are the ones that started the contamination insanity. There are actually several documented studies where they have covered a man in testosterone cream and tied a women to him for 12-24hrs. How much cross-contamination was there in any of the studies? Zero.

Sounds like an interesting Friday night.......

[jay adams]

The idea of cross-contamination is perhaps one of the biggest overblown ideas in TRT. I'm convinced that the same people that said testosterone will force you to become a raging mass murder are the ones that started the contamination insanity. There are actually several documented studies where they have covered a man in testosterone cream and tied a women to him for 12-24hrs. How much cross-contamination was there in any of the studies? Zero.

Thats good to learn. Maybe I should tell that to my lowtestosterone .com doctor who told me the down side to gels would include my wife and children. Thanks for clearing that up.

[bass]

The idea of cross-contamination is perhaps one of the biggest overblown ideas in TRT. I'm convinced that the same people that said testosterone will force you to become a raging mass murder are the ones that started the contamination insanity. There are actually several documented studies where they have covered a man in testosterone cream and tied a women to him for 12-24hrs. How much cross-contamination was there in any of the studies? Zero.

the idea of this study makes absolutely no sense! rubbing another body or even touching a man covered in test cream will most definitely get on the skin of the other person. unless you mean they waited until the man is completely dry for few hours, maybe?!

but then again we all know and give advice for those who use gels not to draw blood from the same spot they applied the cream because it contaminates the BW. I never used gels so I can't speak for them but from what I have learned from members here that cross contamination dose happen.

[powerlifterty16]

gels just seem like a pain in the ass. the only way cross contamination wouldnt occur is if you waited until the gels were dry which from what i have heard can take a while. I dont take test, but i know siub q hcg is over within 30 seconds from starting.
why screw with gels when injections are easier?

[Low Testosterone]

I should clarify. Yes, if the gel gets on your child or wife that is a problem. You put the gel/cream on in the morning and then touch your wife or children with those hands or have your children hanging off your arms where the testosterone was just freshly put, yes that's a problem. But the gel/cream doesn't just sit there on top of your skin all day long. If it does, it's not really doing what it's supposed to and you have bigger problems.

The studies I mentioned, I don't recall how long they waited before they tied the people together. I'll try to dig it up. And this topic is one that is disagreed on by a lot of doctors, a whole lot of doctors. Is it best to err on the side of caution? Sure, it's generally best to do that with a lot of things in life. I would not recommend putting on your cream and then immediately rolling around the bed with your woman. Is she going to grow a beard or have severe hormonal problems after this little jaunt? I don't believe so.

[bass]

I should clarify. Yes, if the gel gets on your child or wife that is a problem. You put the gel/cream on in the morning and then touch your wife or children with those hands or have your children hanging off your arms where the testosterone was just freshly put, yes that's a problem. But the gel/cream doesn't just sit there on top of your skin all day long. If it does, it's not really doing what it's supposed to and you have bigger problems.

The studies I mentioned, I don't recall how long they waited before they tied the people together. I'll try to dig it up. And this topic is one that is disagreed on by a lot of doctors, a whole lot of doctors. Is it best to err on the side of caution? Sure, it's generally best to do that with a lot of things in life. I would not recommend putting on your cream and then immediately rolling around the bed with your woman. Is she going to grow a beard or have severe hormonal problems after this little jaunt? I don't believe so.

^^^ yes this makes perfect sense. LOL about the comment in red

[CobraMustangSVT]

Amount to be applied should be on your prescription bottle when received. The pharmacy should not issue it without it. Agel is not for everyone but it may be perfect for you. You don't know until you try. It mimics the diurnal nature of our natural testosterone so there's nothing wrong with starting with it. Are you prescribed HCG as well?

Hello,
No HCG prescribed but I have a stockpile of it. I'm gonna take 250IU's every Monday and Thursday. I'm gonna see if 2 pumps and HCG is enough.

[sparverius]

Gel worked well for me for about 6 years. Androgel dries in about 5 minutes. Other than not grabbing her before the gel dried I did not take any precautions about cross contamination and my wife showed no signs of increased T. However she did compain that the dried gel tastes bad.

I felt more normal with gel than I do with test. cyp and did not need an AI like I do with test. cyp. Levels were good although I needed a lot of Androgel to get there, and my doc regularly had to argue with the insurance company about it. Since insurance covered the cost the biggest problem was arranging my workouts so I did not take a shower for4-5 hours after applying gel in the morning.

Unfortunately the gel lost effectiveness after I attempted a clomid restart so I had to switch to test. cyp. I'd still be on gel if it worked for me.

[APIs]

Hello,
No HCG prescribed but I have a stockpile of it. I'm gonna take 250IU's every Monday and Thursday. I'm gonna see if 2 pumps and HCG is enough.

As has been said, some people love the product. A majority though it seems, eventually change over to IM. Give it a try, as you need to start somewhere.

BTW, I used to own a 2003 Mustang Cobra (Sonic Blue) with a Whipple Blower making 605 rwhp! Miss that car...

[dreadnok89]

I don't mean to be rude or anything but is the androgel weak only because majority of the people on this bored used heavy duty stuff at one time? 4 of my friends who make fun of the gel are heavy hitters. Or just in general its weak?

[CobraMustangSVT]

I'm wondering about that too. I'm gonna giv eit a try and see what happens. I'm picking up the pump today. I'll start at 2 pumps with 250iu's of HcG twice a week. I'll get my levels tested and see where it lands me.

[sirupate]

I don't mean to be rude or anything but is the androgel weak only because majority of the people on this bored used heavy duty stuff at one time? 4 of my friends who make fun of the gel are heavy hitters. Or just in general its weak?

You would not want to use the gels for blasting/bodybuilding. It would take too much expensive gel to get there. The gels can get guys into the upper end of the normal range, usually. The supranormal ranges that bodybuilders operate at require injections. So...weak? Well, no, not for it's intended purpose. Bodybuilding isn't it's intended purpose.

[kelkel]

You would not want to use the gels for blasting/bodybuilding. It would take too much expensive gel to get there. The gels can get guys into the upper end of the normal range, usually. The supranormal ranges that bodybuilders operate at require injections. So...weak? Well, no, not for it's intended purpose. Bodybuilding isn't it's intended purpose.

Agree. Remember it's still testosterone, just a different delivery method.

[dreadnok89]

Ya I see people post in the hrt section and always worried about muscle. This hrt shit is about sooooo much more

[powerlifterty16]

I don't mean to be rude or anything but is the androgel weak only because majority of the people on this bored used heavy duty stuff at one time? 4 of my friends who make fun of the gel are heavy hitters. Or just in general its weak?

hahahahahah

[powerlifterty16]

You would not want to use the gels for blasting/bodybuilding. It would take too much expensive gel to get there. The gels can get guys into the upper end of the normal range, usually. The supranormal ranges that bodybuilders operate at require injections. So...weak? Well, no, not for it's intended purpose. Bodybuilding isn't it's intended purpose.

deadknock is almost at 1300 on androgel ha

[CobraMustangSVT]

From what I see, it looks like 2 pumps a day might be too low. Should I start off on 3 or 4 pumps? That means that I'll have to get refilled every 15 days instead of 30. At a $40 copay, that'll get expensive.

Will HCG increase my testosterone?

[powerlifterty16]

From what I see, it looks like 2 pumps a day might be too low. Should I start off on 3 or 4 pumps? That means that I'll have to get refilled every 15 days instead of 30. At a $40 copay, that'll get expensive.

Will HCG increase my testosterone?

hcg will increase if you are secondary(balls still working)....try the 2 pumps and get bloodwork. if it's low, ask to be on 3-4 depending how low.
if doc refuses, keep the 2 pumps, and add hcg in.

[CobraMustangSVT]

My FSH and LH are both in range.

This is from April of this year:
LH = 4.1 Ref (1.5-9.3 mIU/mL)
FSH = 3.9 Ref (1.6-8.0 mIU/mL)
Prolactin = 11.6 Ref (2.0-18.0 ng/mL)
Estradiol = 23 Ref (< or = 39pg/mL)
Testosterone , Total, Males = 290 Ref (241-827 ng/dL)

These are labs from a month later:
Testosterone, Total, 277 Ref 300-1000
Testosterone, Free, 59.8 REF 90-244pg/mL
SHBG 27 REF 13-71nmol/L

[dreadnok89]

Have you talked to your doc about chlomid therapy?

[CobraMustangSVT]

I asked both and they said due to my age (soon to be 38) and use of painkillers for my back problems, it probbaly won't do anything.

[powerlifterty16]

My FSH and LH are both in range.

This is from April of this year:
LH = 4.1 Ref (1.5-9.3 mIU/mL)
FSH = 3.9 Ref (1.6-8.0 mIU/mL)
Prolactin = 11.6 Ref (2.0-18.0 ng/mL)
Estradiol = 23 Ref (< or = 39pg/mL)
Testosterone , Total, Males = 290 Ref (241-827 ng/dL)

These are labs from a month later:
Testosterone, Total, 277 Ref 300-1000
Testosterone, Free, 59.8 REF 90-244pg/mL
SHBG 27 REF 13-71nmol/L

have you ever gotten an mri of your pituitary? Maybe i glanced over it but i dont like how high your prolactin is. Your lh and fsh arent terrible, but they are low enough to where i think hcg AND clomid CAN HELP....you only need one though, but your docs are most likely wrong about clomid. id go with hcg though.btw pain killers murder testosterone levels

[dreadnok89]

I just got my text results back and my test was 1457 and my free t was 55, from a scale of 1- 25. Also my estrodial was 30.3.

Thats from 4 pumps of androgel and hcg yse

[powerlifterty16]

I just got my text results back and my test was 1457 and my free t was 55, from a scale of 1- 25. Also my estrodial was 30.3.

Thats from 4 pumps of androgel and hcg yse

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