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Originally Posted by JohnDoe1234
HA, HA. Yeah it's all Clinton's fault. Let's look at some other of Bill's fuck ups. Biggest budget surplus in history booming stock market,rising productivity, low unemployment, peace, etc. Maybe Bush ought to find a nice 20 year old intern to give him head too. It may get the defecit under control and get this country moving forward again.
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The kind of peace Clinton had and wanted was the kind of peace that Neville Chamberland had, when England signed peace treaties with Geramany before WWII. They both knew the threat was there, and both did nothing to stop it, and both of them cost their nations dearly. And the economy is a direct result of 9/11, so you can thank you're pal Billy "boy" Clinton for that too. And I'm sorry Alan Greenspan was the reason for economic prosperity not Clinton.
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So I suppose the Reagan and Bush Sr. admin selling arms to them and Iraq had nothing to do with it either? Please............Clinton is as much to balme as those two clowns. All prez's are blamed for whatever happens during their term.........that's just how it is. Simplistic but true.
Just mu own opinion but I don't want Bush for another four.
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Well Greenspan is still there. What has changed? The president! Speaking of Neville Chamberlain I would compare Bush's handling of N Korea way before Clinton's foreign policies. The economy was going into the tank before 9/11. Also 9/11 is used to justify going into Iraq. Iraq was a castrated 3rd world nation and poses a greater threat now than before. Don't tell me about the ruthless dictatorneeding to be removed eiyher. There are more men leading countries in Asia and Africa doing the same thing. If that is now the threshold we should be "freeing" those countries to. I don't believe Bush is a fool or a buffoon. He is of average or slightly above intelligence squeaking through Harvard with C's and I totally disagree with his policies. On the other hand Bill Clinton is very intelligent as is Al Gore and were not as easily swayed be ideology. If GW's father had not been a prominent government figure and later president GW would be a mid level manager at Walmart.
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He was a true pimp....i'm with you markas...i would rather let saddahm do whatever the hell he wanted and have jobs in my own country
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I cant believe this liberal debaucle of a thread.
You guys have to understand that the media is controlled by the LEFT. Everything portrayed about Bush is carefully crafted by them.
And of course you eat up all of their Bolshevik propaganda.
Its clear the POWERFUL MINORITY of the leftist media and banking system have plans for our great Democratic Republic:
1. Greater redristribution of wealth (ie. welfare, Social Security) eventually having control and/or ownership of capital goods. Possibly including the labor force as a Capital good
2. Greater non-constitutional government control
3. Desrtuction of the republic (ie. Constitution, Bill of rights)
4. Destruction of Religion (ie. Alabama 10 commandments contraversy)
5. Communal, non-morality based public education (ie. Gay schools in Cali.)
6. Destruction of Middle class (ie. Inflation controlled by Banks not Bush, Graduated Income tax) Only 2 classes: 1. proleterate & 2. Bougeuise (sp?)
-Government was created to protect our rights namely:
LIFE, LIBERTY, and PROPERTY
-Any other roles that dont pertain to these three thing is infringement
-Dont be Sheeple (sheep people) and follow everything you see in the media, you dont sound educated or inteeligent, learn the facts yourself, research and review material.
-Make up your own minds
-PS. sorry for the tyrade, just got a little excited
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hahaha....what a load of rubbish
media a bit left, true......did they make up finding no weps of mass destruct??? was that carefully crafted?
bush doesnt control inflation, but can give tax breaks to the rich
democrats destructing the middle class? lolololol
wtf is a non-morality public education? destruction of constitution?? the constitution protects people from having your "morals" forced upon them
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The media is not controlled by the left anymore. It was ten years ago.
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Let's see...a few rambling points about AWOL George.
More jobs have been lost under his presidency than THE LAST 12 PRESIDENCIES COMBINED. - and in only 3 years. Nice!
He's relaxing clean air and clean water bills as we speak with new Energy Bill - that's good right, because clean air and water don't do anyone any good. Let's drill ANWR, privatize National Forests, and make more nukes while we're at it - what a great f****ing idea, George.
He'd love nothing more than to rip up every tree and pollute every stream in the world just to get at that sweet sweet crude. Pushing to drill for natural gas in a pristine area in Rocky Mountains for.....get ready.....3 days worth of natural gas. That's right, the US Geological Survey has researched the area several times and estimates that there is only 3 days worth of natural gas there at the most. Genius!
RENEWABLE ENERGY NOW!!! There will come a day when the earth's oil, coal, and timber supplies will be all but depleated. Our rivers, streams, and ocean will be polluted and completely "fished". Then what? Where will we go? Do we just pack up and leave? The US is ADDICTED to OIL. IMO, if we weren't so hooked on oil, the Twin Towers would still be standing. We wouldn't have to defend Israel and we wouldn't have such a strong military presence in Saudi Arabia and other middle eastern countries. We need to switch to renewable and clean energy sources.
GWB is a big energy/big corporation WHORE and there is absolutely no way to dispute this. He's mortgaging our future to line the pockets of his buddies (see Halliburton, Bechtel, Enron) while we fight amongst ourselves or tape our windows shut with duct tape because Bill O'Reilly says to.
AWOL George demands we support our troops and then slashes their benefits in the same breath.
I've asked this question before, I'll ask again: Can anyone name ONE thing that has improved under GWB? Just one?????
Environment? Education? Health care? National security? Foreign Relations? Unemployment? Social Security? Trade deficit? Economy???
I love it how when someone brings up the 2000 election and how GWB stole it, some Conservatives just roll their eyes and say "Get over it, that was so long ago". But then, if you mention Bill Clinton, they get all pissed off and talk about how awful he was. Total hypocrisy.
I'm not a Clinton fan, I just look at things REASONABLY and not skewed by ideologies that don't amount to sh*t at the end of the day. IMO, things were MUCH better under Clinton.
I hate GWB with every ounce of my being and will do everything I can to support his dumb ass being kicked back to Texas.
No more lies, George!
Peace.Matty.
Last edited by Matty; 11-17-2003 at 11:22 AM.
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very nice post....
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OK... Mine was one of 'em.
Yet, I don't blame BUSH... I blame Assama, the Islamic radicals, and any country that supports or harbors terrorism. Lets drop some more bombs!
911 was not Bush's fault. It was a collective failure of our entire system, most of which was still in place from Clinton.
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Sorry to hear you've lost your job.
I think there are direct correlations between our current "War on Terrorism" in Afghanistan and Iraq and the Israeli occupation of Palestine. And we all know how well that has gone, right? It's been over 30 years and has dropping more bombs, and bulldozing homes fixed anything? No. This is what we face as we occupy both countries.
I think it's wise to place blame on the steps of those who have continued to undermind other countries and instill the hatred we experienced on 9/11/01. And this blame stretches so far back into US history that it's probably damn near impossible to trace. You are right, this was a collective failure - but why is it that GWB wants so badly to suppress any investigation into these events? Why was so much information about Saudi Arabia edited out of their reporting? You'd think that an investigation into the single greatest intelligence failure in the history of civilization would receive all the support it needs to ensure no repeats, right? Wrong - GWB, CIA, FBI all dug their heals in. GWB also only gave a fraction the time needed to perform a complete investigation - timed nicely to end well before 2004 primaries. Do you know that in the six weeks that followed the recent shuttle explosion, there were 2 official investigations. Yet, we still haven't scratched the surface of 9/11 over two years after the fact. How can anyone possibly be ok with this?
Again, I want to be clear that if a democrat had pulled this sh*t I would be equally enraged. This is not about parties or beliefs, this is about what makes sense. And this sh*t does NOT make sense.
Peace.Matty.
Last edited by Matty; 11-17-2003 at 12:17 PM.
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Here's more good news:
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Thought I'd better post sources lest someone challenge these stats:
Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics. Last updated October 10th, 2003.
Source: Dow Jones. Last Update: October 10th, 2003.
Source: The Bush White House Last Update:June 15th, 2003.
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Notice how this all started AFTER 9/11.
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Since none of the stats are broken down by month it's hard to say when the decline started. Either way, I don't think 9/11 cannot be rolled out every time someone questions the intentions or record of this administration. Neither can "Love it or Leave it" or "Support the Troops". IMO, this is irresponsible and serves to shift blame away from the complete and utter failure of GWB's presidency. This sort of 'cowboy mentality' of put up or shut up is one of the reasons GWB is so hated around the world.
So we give the guy four more years to prove himself? Why? The man is a liability who has accomplished NOTHING in the three years he's been in office. Everything he touches turns to sh*t and yet I continue to read things like "he's doing a great job because of 9/11 and Iraq...." Really? Great job? How so? How EXACTLY is he doing a great job??? Are we safer now? Are we better off now????
Put aside the blind patriotism and ask yourselves honestly and without prejudice if the US, and the world to a greater extent, is better off now.
Peace.Matty.
Last edited by Matty; 11-17-2003 at 01:01 PM.
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You sucked me back in to the conversation.....go to Bigcharts.com and pull up the $DJI or any other sector you prefer...that should answer any Q's on the stockmarket collapse...All the best..DB
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The graphs matty posted are what I am going with when I speak of the business cycle. Now the ignorant person would look at that and say "Clinton was a g, and Bush was terrible" but this is exactly how our economy functions and the president is basically powerless against it. I was surprised that dabull being a stock trader wouldn't have mentioned this aspect of the discussion because I would have thought he would have been familiar with it. Also, when 9/11 occured it drove stock prices down and the deman for long term investments also went down. People were scared and immediately withdrew from the market of long term investments. This theory is called the market segmentation theory. Basically when any event scares people about the stock market people invest in short term bonds. People are very risk averse. The reason for the crash is because of intrest rate risk. Basically this boils down to bonds and stocks. There is a required rate of return for a person to invest in a bond or stock. Basically, the required rate of return for any investment is equal to the required rate plus intrest rate risk premium. When the future is in question, no one wants to invest long term because they could end up paying higher intrest rates therefore losing money in their investment. Everyone failed to mention this when they spoke of Bush being responsible for it but investors controll the stock market and not the president. I think the general consensus drawn on GWB is wrong and people failed to mention normal economic and financial conditions which hurt the economy. He personally could not help this and if you think Al Gore could have handled it any better then well, I'll just leave it at that.
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bump for markas
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Here is a forward I got a while back, enjoy.
"DO NOT FORGET"
I sat in a movie theater watching "Schindler's List," asked myself, "Why didn't the Jews fight back?"
Now I know why.
I sat in a movie theater, watching "Pearl Harbor" and asked myself, "Why weren't we prepared?"
Now I know why.
Civilized people cannot fathom, much less predict, the actions of evil people.
On September 11, dozens of capable airplane passengers allowed themselves to be overpowered by a handful of poorly armed terrorists because they did not comprehend the depth of hatred that motivated their captors.
On September 11, thousands of innocent people were murdered because too many Americans naively reject the reality that some nations are dedicated to the dominance of others. Many political pundits, pacifists and media personnel want us to forget the carnage. They say we must focus on the bravery of the rescuers and ignore the cowardice of the killers. They implore us to understand the motivation of the perpetrators. Major television stations have announced they will assist the healing process by not replaying devastating footage of the planes crashing into the Twin Towers.
I will not be manipulated.
I will not pretend to understand.
I will not forget.
I will not forget the liberal media who abused freedom of the press to kick our country when it was vulnerable and hurting.
I will not forget that CBS anchor Dan Rather preceded President Bush's address to the nation with the snide remark, "No matter how you feel about him, he is still our president."
I will not forget that ABC TV anchor Peter Jennings questioned President Bush's motives for not returning immediately to Washington, DC and commented, "We're all pretty skeptical and cynical about Washington."
And I will not forget that ABC's Mark Halperin warned if reporters weren't informed of every little detail of this war, they aren't "likely -- nor should they be expected -- to show deference."
I will not isolate myself from my fellow Americans by pretending an attack on the USS Cole in Yemen was not an attack on the United States of America.
I will not forget the Clinton administration equipped Islamic terrorists and their supporters with the world's most sophisticated telecommunications equipment and encryption technology, thereby compromising America's ability to trace terrorist radio, cell phone, land lines, faxes and modem communications.
I will not be appeased with pointless, quick retaliatory strikes like those perfected by the previous administration.
I will not be comforted by "feel-good, do nothing" regulations like the silly "Have your bags been under your control?" question at the airport.
I will not be influenced by so called,"antiwar demonstrators" who exploit the right of expression to chant anti-American obscenities.
I will not forget the moral victory handed the North Vietnamese by American war protesters who reviled and spat upon the returning soldiers, airmen, sailors and Marines.
I will not be softened by the wishful thinking of pacifists who chose reassurance over reality.
I will embrace the wise words of Prime Minister Tony Blair who told Labor Party conference, "They have no moral inhibition on the slaughter of the innocent. If they could have murdered not 7,000 but 70,000, does anyone doubt they would have done so and rejoiced in it?
There is no compromise possible with such people, no meeting of minds, no point of understanding with such terror. Just a choice: defeat it or be defeated by it. And defeat it we must!"
I will force myself to:
-hear the weeping
-feel the helplessness
-imagine the terror
-sense the panic
-smell the burning flesh
- experience the loss
- remember the hatred.
I sat in a movie theater, watching "Private Ryan" and asked myself, "Where did they find the courage?"
Now I know.
We have no choice. Living without liberty is not living.
-- Ed Evans, MGySgt., USMC (Ret.)
Not as lean, Not as mean, But still a Marine.
Keep this going until every living American has read it and memorized it so we don't make the same mistake
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Here, this one is good too. Has all of "Billy Boy's" great miltary stands listed here.
After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured
1,000; President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted
down and punished.
After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military
personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and
punished.
After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and
injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible
would be hunted down and punished.
After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224
and injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted
down and punished.
After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 U.S.
sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and
punished.
Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 5,000 people in
New York, Pennsylvania, and Washington, D.C. who are now dead would be alive
today.
AN INTERESTING QUESTION:
This question was raised on a Philly radio call-in show. Without
casting stones, it is a legitimate question. There are two men, both
extremely wealthy. One develops relatively cheap software and gives billions
of dollars to charity. The other sponsors terrorism. That being the case,
why is it that the Clinton Administration spent more money chasing down Bill
Gates over the past eight years than Osama bin Laden?
THINK ABOUT IT!
It is a strange turn of events. Hillary gets $8 Million for her forthcoming
memoir. Bill gets about $12 Million for his memoir yet to be written. This
from two people who have spent the past 8 years being
unable to recall anything about past events while under oath!
INCREDIBLE AND GOLD STAR MOTHERS
Gold Star Mothers is an organization made up of women whose sons were
killed in military combat during service in the United States armed forces.
Recently a delegation of New York State Gold Star Mothers made a trip to
Washington, DC to discuss various concerns with their elected
representatives.
According to NewsMax.com there was only one politician in DC who refused to
meet with these ladies. Can you guess which politician that might be? Was it
New York Senator Charles Schumer? Nope, he met with them. Try again.
Do you know anyone serving in the Senate who has ever had anything but
contempt for our military? Do you happen to know the name of any politician
in Washington whose husband once wrote of his loathing of the military?
Now you're getting warm! You got it! None other than the Queen herself,
Hillary Clinton. She refused repeated requests to meet with the Gold Star
Mothers. Now --- please don't tell me you're surprised.
This woman wants to be president of the United States --- and there is
a huge percentage of uninformed voters who are eager to help her achieve
that.
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