An E2 Control Question

[kelkel]

How you feel at 20 is subjective. I run anymore around 24 with no AI, and it took work to get up to that as I run low. When I bumped it up to the low 30's my libido was much better.

First off, I'd combine the hcg with the cyp and cut your injections down. Cutting it back may help but remember a lot of hcg's E2 conversion is intratesticular and not affected by AI's. A thought would be to skip your HCG for a handful of days prior to your next BW and then test. See the difference then you can evaluate it better. If I recall correctly you pull BW very frequently, correct?

Still think a decent option is another small titration down based on your FT level.

[2Sox]

How you feel at 20 is subjective. I run anymore around 24 with no AI, and it took work to get up to that as I run low. When I bumped it up to the low 30's my libido was much better.

First off, I'd combine the hcg with the cyp and cut your injections down. Cutting it back may help but remember a lot of hcg's E2 conversion is intratesticular and not affected by AI's. A thought would be to skip your HCG for a handful of days prior to your next BW and then test. See the difference then you can evaluate it better. If I recall correctly you pull BW very frequently, correct?

Still think a decent option is another small titration down based on your FT level.

Curious. How would it benefit me to inject hCG the same day as the Cyp?

Another thing, I seem to remember some controversy about whether hCG's E2 conversion is only intratesticular. My thought is that if the testes is making more T that ends up in the bloodstream, you're gonna have more serum E2 along with it. That's the reason I cut back on my hCG to begin with.

I'm also reluctant to titrate down my Cyp much lower as I feel I do better on the higher end of the scale. This is subjective, of course. If my E2 was lower and my libido improved, I'd be very satisfied with lower T levels. I've got to bring that E2 down.

Yes. BW every 4 weeks or so.

[2Sox]

Curious. How would it benefit me to inject hCG the same day as the Cyp?

Another thing, I seem to remember some controversy about whether hCG's E2 conversion is only intratesticular. My thought is that if the testes is making more T that ends up in the bloodstream, you're gonna have more serum E2 along with it. That's the reason I cut back on my hCG to begin with.

I'm also reluctant to titrate down my Cyp much lower as I feel I do better on the higher end of the scale. This is subjective, of course. If my E2 was lower and my libido improved, I'd be very satisfied with lower T levels. I've got to bring that E2 down.

Yes. BW every 4 weeks or so.

Kel,
Any comment on this?

[kelkel]

Curious. How would it benefit me to inject hCG the same day as the Cyp?

Simply less injections was my only point.

Another thing, I seem to remember some controversy about whether hCG's E2 conversion is only intratesticular. My thought is that if the testes is making more T that ends up in the bloodstream, you're gonna have more serum E2 along with it. That's the reason I cut back on my hCG to begin with.

Note that I said "a lot" not all of it.

I'm also reluctant to titrate down my Cyp much lower as I feel I do better on the higher end of the scale. This is subjective, of course. If my E2 was lower and my libido improved, I'd be very satisfied with lower T levels. I've got to bring that E2 down.

Yes. BW every 4 weeks or so.

Nothing wrong with the course you're taking 2Sox. It it works, it works. You just have wiggle room with your T and it may end up being your "Occams Razor."
Remember it's still just a snapshot in time and nothing is that amiss!

[2Sox]

Nothing wrong with the course you're taking 2Sox. It it works, it works. You just have wiggle room with your T and it may end up being your "Occams Razor."
Remember it's still just a snapshot in time and nothing is that amiss!

Wow. Occam's Razor. I had to look that one up! Interesting.

Thanks, Kel.

[kelkel]

Wow. Occam's Razor. I had to look that one up! Interesting.

Thanks, Kel.

I don't believe that, knowing what you did for a living....

[2Sox]

I don't believe that, knowing what you did for a living....

No, really. This was a first for me. I'm reading the whole story here:

HowStuffWorks "How Occam\'s Razor Works"