What's the Androgenic - Anabolic Ratio of HGH?

[Crazy Chris]

Does anyone know the androgenic - anabolic ratio of HGH?
Is it even possible to measure the A-A:R in HGH?

It would be interesting to know the strenght and potency of hgh compared to testosterone and other steroids, so one can decide the proper dosage of hgh and other compounds combined with it.

I've been doing this for a while now, but have choosed to leave hgh alone for as long as possible due to the high cost and risk of getting insulin resistant.

Currently I'm on a Test C/E/P cycle at 4200 mg ew. That's 3 ml ed...
I love the "test only" cycles. I respond very well on test. I also do test/tren/mast cycles and add some dbol or drol when bulking and win or var when cutting. Next cycle will be Sust/Tren E/Mast E at 1400 mg of each ew.

After the summer I will start using HGH so I can lower the total amount of steroids and injections. I'm starting to feel like a woodo doll :-)

I will start at 4 IU ed and then increase with 1 IU every six month untill I reach 8 IU wich will be as high I will ever go on hgh.

So the question is, how much is 1 IU of pure HGH worth in Testosterone?

It must be possible to do some form of comparisation.

If you make a statement on the matter, please provide some realiable fact that supports it.

Thanks guys!
Chris

[redz]

Hgh does not have a rating like that because it is not androgenic or anabolic.

Although growth hormone strongly affects collagen synthesis and lipolysis, body mass, it is not anabolic toward the contractile (ie, myofibrillar) muscle tissue in healthy individuals.

[FONZY007]

Man 4200 mg a week, dang I weight 250 and only have used 800 mg a week max..

What are your gains per cycle

[Crazy Chris]

Hgh does not have a rating like that because it is not androgenic or anabolic. Although growth hormone strongly affects collagen synthesis and lipolysis, body mass, it is not anabolic toward the contractile (ie, myofibrillar) muscle tissue in healthy individuals.

You have a good point there. Androgenic/Anabolic Ratio was a poor choice of words. But still, HGH increase strenght and muscle size. So what I'm looking for is a whey to compare the gains in strenght and muscle size from HGH with the gains from Testosteron for example.

[redz]

I just don't think there's a formula for that. They are different animals.

[Crazy Chris]

Different animals creating the same beast :-)
Well, I'm not giving up on this one. I'm gonna keep searching for answers. Otherwise I'll create my own formula :-)

[Crazy Chris]

Man 4200 mg a week, dang I weight 250 and only have used 800 mg a week max.. What are your gains per cycle

Then you have really good genetics!
Or are 6'5'' tall with 30% BF ;-) Just kidding.

The longer you can stay at a low dose and still make progress the better! But eventually you will hit a plateu and need to increase the intake of anabolics and food to grow.

You make most of your gains the very first year, then progress will gradually slow untill you reach your genetic max. Then you have to stay at the same high dose to just keep your gains.

I'm 5'7" and 216 lbs with 8% BF.
I don't gain that much anymore, maybe 6-8 lbs of quallity mass every year. I don't think increasing anabolics is rhe right approach for me. That's the reason I'm gonna start with HGH, so I can lower the amount of steroids and continue to grow.

[kelkel]

That seriously is a huge amount of AAS! I know pro's who don't come close to that.

[Crazy Chris]

That seriously is a huge amount of AAS! I know pro's who don't come close to that.

Really? You must be talking about females ;-)
Where I come from the pros averaging about 8-10 grams ew, and they are nowhere near olympia size.

I gained about 40 lbs of quality mass and adde 120 lbs to my bench press max during my first year on AAS at 500/750/1000 mg ew. So I know the gear is good.

But I recently heard someone saying you also need to actually go to a gym and lift heavy ass weights to grow... Really?? WTF??!! That must be it then! ;-)

[FONZY007]

Really? You must be talking about females ;-) Where I come from the pros averaging about 8-10 grams ew, and they are nowhere near olympia size. I gained about 40 lbs of quality mass and adde 120 lbs to my bench press max during my first year on AAS at 500/750/1000 mg ew. So I know the gear is good. But I recently heard someone saying you also need to actually go to a gym and lift heavy ass weights to grow... Really?? WTF??!! That must be it then! ;-)

There is another guy about your size that competes and is in great shape only using 2000mg of test a week I believe

[Crazy Chris]

There is another guy about your size that competes and is in great shape only using 2000mg of test a week I believe

That's truly amazing if that's the case.
But then, not everyone is honest about their use of steroids, especially pros. I'm not saying that anyone here is dishonest though! I'm just pointing out that that's a fact in many cases.

If you have really good genetics you can get pretty big with less amount of steroids.

On the other hand, if you have really bad genetics you can take any steroids possible and still not get as big as a genetically well gifted guy can get naturally.

But I've allways considered myself as someone with good genetics though.

[Bonaparte]

Hgh does not have a rating like that because it is not androgenic or anabolic.

Although growth hormone strongly affects collagen synthesis and lipolysis, body mass, it is not anabolic toward the contractile (ie, myofibrillar) muscle tissue in healthy individuals.

HGH is certainly anabolic in all humans. It just isn't androgenic.

[diabeticknowledge]

actually there is very unclear evidence relating GH to strength, since IGF doesnt promote strength directly. And then again it doesn promote muscle size all that much... however it will allow you to train harder and become stronger than you normally would be able to.

It is not androgenic in it self, but it does increase testosterone a bit.
It is anabolic mostly via hyperplasia ( cell multiplication ), unlike most steroids who are mostly anabolic via hypertrophy ( increase in cell size ).

If you are worried about insulin desensitivity because of hgh, then you have clearly not read the side effects of the drugs you have taken.

If you intend to start at 4iu/ed, say hello to CTS from me.


This hgh cycle will probably cost you around 7-15 thousand a year

[Crazy Chris]

actually there is very unclear evidence relating GH to strength, since IGF doesnt promote strength directly. And then again it doesn promote muscle size all that much... however it will allow you to train harder and become stronger than you normally would be able to. It is not androgenic in it self, but it does increase testosterone a bit. It is anabolic mostly via hyperplasia ( cell multiplication ), unlike most steroids who are mostly anabolic via hypertrophy ( increase in cell size ). If you are worried about insulin desensitivity because of hgh, then you have clearly not read the side effects of the drugs you have taken. If you intend to start at 4iu/ed, say hello to CTS from me. This hgh cycle will probably cost you around 7-15 thousand a year

Thank you very much for charing your thoughts and knowledge!

You cerainly have a good point about steroids and the side effects that comes with it.
I'm not aiming for mr olympia. It's all about feeling good and staying safe, your health and wellbeing should allways come in first hand.
But I also wan't to max out my genetics.

The higher amount of steroids the greater side effects. But even on high dosed I have never really had any problems. I get blood work done 4 times a year and I have never needed to take any AI, AE, BP medicine whatsoever. So perhaps I will do just fine with HGH as well.

Yes, it's certainly not cheap! But if it allows me to take in less steroids and make me feel better at the same time it's absolutely worth it.

[diabeticknowledge]

hGH is a candy compared to the other stuff, in terms of side effects. so im happy if you use it instead of other drugs.

To be safe
- monitor change in fasting glucose levels
- check for cancer in your family
if there is any, then you should get checked for what can be checked for...

But im not so sure what you mean by maxing out your genetics.
you have been injecting 20 times the amount of testosterone in a healthy male, and you intend to inject 2-4 times the amount of growth hormone produced naturally, i dont see that it has anything to relate with your genetic potential?

[Crazy Chris]

hGH is a candy compared to the other stuff, in terms of side effects. so im happy if you use it instead of other drugs. To be safe - monitor change in fasting glucose levels - check for cancer in your family if there is any, then you should get checked for what can be checked for... But im not so sure what you mean by maxing out your genetics. you have been injecting 20 times the amount of testosterone in a healthy male, and you intend to inject 2-4 times the amount of growth hormone produced naturally, i dont see that it has anything to relate with your genetic potential?

Great, I love candy! :-)

What I mean by maxing out ones genetics is, that not everyone can develop a great physique in terms of building large muscles, it all depends on ones genetics. And of course other factors such as training and diet.
And that goes for steroids as well. A person with poor genetics will never get as big as someone with good genetics. That's why not everyone can be mr olympia. They are gifted with extremely good genetics. And they are also able to handle the very large amounts of steroids required.
Not everyone can do that.

So I'm interested in how long I can continue to progress and still feel good.

Thank you for your advice.
I really appreciate it!

[Marsoc]

I never cycled in my life and I'm not too small. 6' 190' haven't worked out in about 1.5 years except for the past few weeks with a bowflex. Was 220'whenninwas lifting natural. Can't wait to gain the benifets of my first cycle though.