Fourth Cycle - Test Prop / Tren Ace / D-bol / IGF-1 LR3 - 8 Weeks - Reviews Needed!

[XxAndreaxX]

ok the story of tren ace for first cycle. IMO tren sides are overrated, but everyone may react different from compound to compound. I think with 400mg of tren enth you are G2G even for first cycle. If your diet is in check, and your gear is legit, you get shredded to the bone even without cardio, and without any major sides besides night sweats and agressive behaviour. If you feel safer with ace, go for it, IGF1 sides were for me 1000x nastier than tren sides. the only bad tren side I got, was dizzyness with brain fog, like IGF1, in my case above 500mg EW. so I would not mix them if you plan to go high on tren. Ironically I only got bad sides with ace, maybe because its fast acting, so it peaks fast and short after the pin you feel like crap. EOD injections are worse than ED. But its me, I feel like enth peaks slower so to get the bad feeling, you have to make a crazy injection. also insomnia was more pronounced on ace, maybe because i always pinned after workout. If you don't mind to pin ED and probably deal with the ace PIP, go for short ester. If pinning and pip is an issue for you, go for enth, you want to do 350mg EW ace, that's more or less 400mg of enth. And with caber on hand you're G2G.

[NoBulkNoCutJustGrow]

ok the story of tren ace for first cycle. IMO tren sides are overrated, but everyone may react different from compound to compound. I think with 400mg of tren enth you are G2G even for first cycle. If your diet is in check, and your gear is legit, you get shredded to the bone even without cardio, and without any major sides besides night sweats and agressive behaviour. If you feel safer with ace, go for it, IGF1 sides were for me 1000x nastier than tren sides. the only bad tren side I got, was dizzyness with brain fog, like IGF1, in my case above 500mg EW. so I would not mix them if you plan to go high on tren. Ironically I only got bad sides with ace, maybe because its fast acting, so it peaks fast and short after the pin you feel like crap. EOD injections are worse than ED. But its me, I feel like enth peaks slower so to get the bad feeling, you have to make a crazy injection. also insomnia was more pronounced on ace, maybe because i always pinned after workout. If you don't mind to pin ED and probably deal with the ace PIP, go for short ester. If pinning and pip is an issue for you, go for enth, you want to do 350mg EW ace, that's more or less 400mg of enth. And with caber on hand you're G2G.

Thanks for the input! I might consider enanthate now for the Tren too. In any case with which ever ester I decide to go with I'l be pinning ED. This is because of a theory I want to put to a test which is supposedly with ED pining you would have more stable blood levels throughout the cycle without the seesaw pattern seen in 2x/week or 3x/week regimens. Look at this diagram below; as the intervals get longer the dips get longer and more pronounced.





This leads me to believe that ED pins would provide the more stable blood levels. Although if you put the numbers in a AAS calculator you would see that you get higher peeks with 2/3x/week instead of ED but the ED numbers are even throughout the cycle peeking and staying there as long as the sane doses keep coming. This is what I get if I input ONE(1) dose of 100 mg ED for 12 weeks:

Day 1: 100mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 2: 190.6mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 3: 272.6mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 4: 346.9mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 5: 414.2mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 6: 475.2mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 7: 530.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 8: 580.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 9: 625.7mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 10: 666.7mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 11: 703.8mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 12: 737.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 13: 767.9mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 14: 795.5mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 15: 820.5mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 16: 843.1mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 17: 863.6mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 18: 882.2mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 19: 899mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 20: 914.2mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 21: 928mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 22: 940.5mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 23: 951.8mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 24: 962.1mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 25: 971.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 26: 979.8mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 27: 987.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 28: 994.3mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 29: 1000.6mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 30: 1006.3mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 31: 1011.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 32: 1016mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 33: 1020.2mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 34: 1024mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 35: 1027.5mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 36: 1030.6mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 37: 1033.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 38: 1036mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 39: 1038.3mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 40: 1040.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 41: 1042.3mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 42: 1044mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 43: 1045.6mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 44: 1047mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 45: 1048.3mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 46: 1049.5mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 47: 1050.6mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 48: 1051.6mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 49: 1052.5mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 50: 1053.3mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 51: 1054mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 52: 1054.6mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 53: 1055.2mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 54: 1055.7mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 55: 1056.2mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 56: 1056.6mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 57: 1057mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 58: 1057.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 59: 1057.7mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 60: 1058mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 61: 1058.3mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 62: 1058.5mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 63: 1058.7mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 64: 1058.9mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 65: 1059.1mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 66: 1059.3mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 67: 1059.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 68: 1059.5mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 69: 1059.6mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 70: 1059.7mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 71: 1059.8mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 72: 1059.9mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 73: 1060mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 74: 1060.1mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 75: 1060.2mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 76: 1060.3mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 77: 1060.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 78: 1060.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 79: 1060.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 80: 1060.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 81: 1060.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 82: 1060.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 83: 1060.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 84: 1060.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 85: 1060.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day

This is with 2x/week doses of 350 mg each equaling the same 700 mg /week as with ED pins:

Day 1: 350mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 2: 317mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 3: 287.1mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 4: 260mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 5: 568.6mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 6: 515mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 7: 466.4mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 8: 772.5mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 9: 699.7mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 10: 633.7mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 11: 573.9mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 12: 852.9mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 13: 772.5mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 14: 699.6mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 15: 983.7mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 16: 891.1mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 17: 807mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 18: 730.8mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 19: 995.1mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 20: 901.2mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 21: 816.2mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 22: 1089.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 23: 986.7mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 24: 893.7mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 25: 809.3mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 26: 1066.1mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 27: 965.6mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 28: 874.6mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 29: 1142.2mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 30: 1034.5mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 31: 937mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 32: 848.6mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 33: 1101.6mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 34: 997.8mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 35: 903.8mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 36: 1168.6mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 37: 1058.4mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 38: 958.7mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 39: 868.2mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 40: 1119.4mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 41: 1013.9mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 42: 918.3mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 43: 1181.8mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 44: 1070.4mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 45: 969.5mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 46: 878mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 47: 1128.3mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 48: 1021.9mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 49: 925.6mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 50: 1188.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 51: 1076.4mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 52: 974.9mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 53: 882.9mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 54: 1132.7mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 55: 1026mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 56: 929.2mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 57: 1191.7mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 58: 1079.4mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 59: 977.6mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 60: 885.3mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 61: 1134.9mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 62: 1028mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 63: 931.1mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 64: 1193.4mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 65: 1080.9mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 66: 979mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 67: 886.5mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 68: 1136.1mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 69: 1029mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 70: 932mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 71: 1194.2mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 72: 1081.6mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 73: 979.7mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 74: 887.2mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 75: 1136.6mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 76: 1029.5mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 77: 932.5mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 78: 1194.6mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day
Day 79: 1082mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 80: 980mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 81: 887.5mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 82: 1136.9mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 83: 1029.7mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 84: 932.7mg T, 0mg E/D/T
Day 85: 1194.8mg T, 0mg E/D/TInjection Day

As you can see the peeks are higher but it's not nearly as stable as ED pinning. I want to know if this translates into more gains and less sides or neither.