cruise dose, low tren

[pezcalves]

Who is this clown saying Matt doesnt even look like he trains?
So your saying all blokes walk around with 15-16 inch arms like it appears he has?

Disgraceful how this personal attack is allowed.
Very disrespectful and rude towards someone asking for advice.

Get a life bro.

[Matt007]

Who is this clown saying Matt doesnt even look like he trains?
So your saying all blokes walk around with 15-16 inch arms like it appears he has?

Disgraceful how this personal attack is allowed.
Very disrespectful and rude towards someone asking for advice.

Get a life bro.

Agreed , why I left ology as well, seems to be the trend over there big time, people critique on other peoples physique, diet and training, saying u might as well give up bb and pursue something else meanwhile not one single pic of there physique, its tuff cutting as u are loosing weight in the meantime thinking u are getting smaller but in reality u get more stares with lower bf and wprk up from there, first time I am going to try to get to 10% bf or less, but the diet is going great so far, like I said I hate to see the weight drop on the scale but in reality people say I look bigger with lower bf then being 210 at 20% bf, thanks for the positive comments

[Matt007]

As for the tren I am goin to wait till I get my bf around 14 to 13%, hopefully in another 5 weeks ill be down to that, then do my blast for 12 weeks, 250mg test e, 600mg tren a

[< <Samson> >]

I didn't read the whole thing, but I'm pretty sure I got the point.

I am running tren a bit much this year. I will be on more months than off. Best thing I found so far is to keep the dose real low. But, even then it loses its flavor pretty fast.

After this year, I'm thinking I will run tren only once per year if that. Just 8 weeks for a summer cut would be ideal.

But, it sure does work - but after a while even the tren gains get slower and slower.

You seem to want to lose bf. I thought tren was the key to losing bf and still keeping strength and size during a strenuous cal deficit. But, even test alone seems to work just fine so far.

[Roger11]

Who is this clown saying Matt doesnt even look like he trains?
So your saying all blokes walk around with 15-16 inch arms like it appears he has?

Disgraceful how this personal attack is allowed.
Very disrespectful and rude towards someone asking for advice.

Get a life bro.

Mate, reread everything you just wrote.

First off, matt only started lifting 2 years ago, and in that time he has used up to 700mg of tren, prescribed himself 200mg of test per week also.

He does not look like he has even built a solid base and that explains why, hes only been in the gym for 2 years, that's NOTHING.

Yes its his choice that's fine, but in the end hes going to do more damage than good. I mean at least he could have built a solid base before juicing, if what he is at now was natural and he was about to do his first cycle then id applaud him.

I HAVE 0 respect for someone whos been juicing 2 years, blast and cruising on there own prescribed TRT, only been in the gym the same amount of time as using steroids and still, could have achieved so much more natural. And not only that, he posts photo after photo on other forums where he does not listen to peoples advice, goes against what people tell him and yet all his photos look the same give or take. He needs to come off the gear, train natural, well learn how to train obv properly and run a PCT and see where he stands.

[Roger11]

And to argue against what I have said, matt is currently 82kg, barely has abs, no definition, would not look like he lifts in a shirt and for the most part looks like a normal guy. Yet, he has run high doses of tren, been on his own TRT for 2 years, for someone using steroids and blasting and blasting for 2years its quite disappointing to see someone with very little muscle mass, it goes to tell me and probably many others that there is underlying issues that need to be fixed that don't lie around the involvement of anabolics.

Some one who has used tren up to 700mg and been on 200mg of test per week for 2 years straight should be carrying a lot more muscle mass than that. If not there diet is not up to par, or there training sucks. Im not sure which is matts case.

He has been told numerous times on another forum that he has issues that need to be fixed but he still insists on running blasts after blasts of anabolics like tren.

[jdpeters]

Roger11 --

I think all they are saying is you are being a little harsh and disrespectful. You can say all that you said except with a lot more tact and respect. I am sure your girlfriend/wife has told you before, it's not what you say it's how you say it. We are all in at a different spot in our journey and we should respect each other for where we are. I'm sure you have done something stupid and have learned from it. We all have. It's called life. For the future try to actually give advice instead of rip someone apart. People will listen to your good advice, I know I would. You can carry this lesson throughout every aspect of your life. You will notice a difference in how people respond to you.

Good luck,

JP

[jdpeters]

Docd,

Great article. I totally get what you are saying. That is the way I understood it, but being from a cycling background I would need to stay below 80% heart rate for a couple of months during the winter to ramp up for cycling season. This would allow my capillaries to increase in density and a number of other great benefits to supercharge my cardio for race season. Thanks for clearing me up on that is not really the goal of members on here which should be burning calories, and I totally understand what you are saying.

Thanks for keeping us on the straight and narrow Doc!

JP

The cleanliness of your food has almost nothing to do with your body composition. Experienced guys can swear all they want but unfortunately they cannot isolate variables nor can they account for their results with reliable measurements meaning it's all just anecdotal data.

To be clear, you're only looking at cardio and it's effects in the acute setting but we know fat loss doesn't happen in the acute setting but in chronic setting. You're fixated on only the time you're doing the cardio but what about afterwards? Read this if you'd like to see what the current research and science says:

Myths Under the Microscope Part 1: The Low Intensity Fat Burning Zone - AlanAragon.com - Fitness Based on Science & Experience



You don't need cardio to lose weight. Cardio adds to calories burned....or you could just eat less. Both work the same for OP.

I never said for him to rely on excessive gear. In fact, ive tried mentioning to him on 2 forums now that the gear isn't the problem.

[Docd187123]

Docd,

Great article. I totally get what you are saying. That is the way I understood it, but being from a cycling background I would need to stay below 80% heart rate for a couple of months during the winter to ramp up for cycling season. This would allow my capillaries to increase in density and a number of other great benefits to supercharge my cardio for race season. Thanks for clearing me up on that is not really the goal of members on here which should be burning calories, and I totally understand what you are saying.

Thanks for keeping us on the straight and narrow Doc!

JP

Yea JDP, as a cyclist your training will differ greatly than the typical cardio done for fat loss by most here. Good luck with your training!

[< <Samson> >]

Geez, why rip OP a new ass hole?

Fvck, it's his choice as it as all of ours - I don't even post half of the shit on here just to hear this kind of BS. I educate myself and make whatever decisions.


I'm also really considering pulling back even more off the tren. It's rough stuff - but, does work well


You really don't need close to a g of it, like I once thought.

[Matt007]

And to argue against what I have said, matt is currently 82kg, barely has abs, no definition, would not look like he lifts in a shirt and for the most part looks like a normal guy. Yet, he has run high doses of tren, been on his own TRT for 2 years, for someone using steroids and blasting and blasting for 2years its quite disappointing to see someone with very little muscle mass, it goes to tell me and probably many others that there is underlying issues that need to be fixed that don't lie around the involvement of anabolics.

Some one who has used tren up to 700mg and been on 200mg of test per week for 2 years straight should be carrying a lot more muscle mass than that. If not there diet is not up to par, or there training sucks. Im not sure which is matts case.

He has been told numerous times on another forum that he has issues that need to be fixed but he still insists on running blasts after blasts of anabolics like tren.

Damn u can tell u are a former member from ology man, can u post a pic of you so I can see how real diet and training looks like?, u must be a monster man

[kelkel]

I'm also really considering pulling back even more off the tren. It's rough stuff - but, does work well
You really don't need close to a g of it, like I once thought.

Like I said earlier in this thread. Ease up and grow into your dosage guys.

[Matt007]

And to argue against what I have said, matt is currently 82kg, barely has abs, no definition, would not look like he lifts in a shirt and for the most part looks like a normal guy. Yet, he has run high doses of tren, been on his own TRT for 2 years, for someone using steroids and blasting and blasting for 2years its quite disappointing to see someone with very little muscle mass, it goes to tell me and probably many others that there is underlying issues that need to be fixed that don't lie around the involvement of anabolics.

Some one who has used tren up to 700mg and been on 200mg of test per week for 2 years straight should be carrying a lot more muscle mass than that. If not there diet is not up to par, or there training sucks. Im not sure which is matts case.

He has been told numerous times on another forum that he has issues that need to be fixed but he still insists on running blasts after blasts of anabolics like tren.

If u dont like me so be it, I can take constructive critism, but when u go off telling me I havent made any such progress in 2 years time I think thats alittle harsh, my question to u is, of uare so against me doing steroids, why dont u stay natty man??
As I said, recovering alkie, after rehab theycheck my levels and were extremely low, I cannot comeoff unless I want some shitty ass low test symtoms man, yes I self prescribe myself trt, my doc knows that obviously when I get bloods done every 3 to 4 months, but like what my doc says as well, he is against it, but says your choice not mine, I live in canada so its legal here for personal useso in reality there is nothing they or my doc can do aboutit other then decline bloods, but he doesnt decline it at all, like i said my choice not yours!
I am getting comments in the gym as well, looking great, leaning out ect ect, then I get a comment like yours rogers only 82kg, I started my cut at 210 8 weeks ago, down to 182lbs as of today , highest I weighed last year was 225, damn man how many times I told u, I am on a cut, so leaning down to 12 to 10% bf, then see where I stand from there, ofcourse when u lean out u are doing to loose some size but thats the mind part u gotta get over, u seem to be a guy nomatter how I look u are the type where u are going to put somebody down, are u ashammed of your physique?

[Capebuffalo]

I think what is trying to be said is that you have been training for a short period. 2 years is nothing. You had not reached your natural potential. You took a short cut. You didn't put your time in. You haven't earned your stripes. Then your running al kinds of sh!t of an experienced user. Your under aged. You have no idea what you are doing to your body. Your self prescribing. Your blasting and cruising. There is not one thing you have done right to this point. There is a loss of any respect you can't get by following the path you're traveling. Yes you have transformed your body. But it's nothing you couldn't have obtained naturally and probably in the same time frame. You can justify it to yourself over and over to help you sleep at night but it's not right. Plain and simple it's not right.

My .02 cents

[Athlete127]

Regardless you're messing your body up. Good luck.

[Lunk1]

Who cares~! Run your Tren cycle Matt!

[Matt007]

It is what it is I guess done and over with, I am on gear, cruise and blast so I dunno what to say about it other then if didnt earn my strips training naturally, I earned my stripes saving my life due to alcoholism, 2 years sober and changed my life around, without the gym I honestly think iwould be in the same position, steroids and the gym saved my life, to be honest it sounds weird but its true, my sex life was shit before, felt depressed, anxious all the time, didnt have a clue about dieting/training before and have came I think along way from 2 years ago, I am not on here to get hand shakes or say good for u boy but I post my pics as progress pics not to be cocky but to make a so called log, as for the tren, I love cycling tren as I dont get any bad sides other then abit of aggression but who doesnt lol, I dont get insomnia, nor do I get anxious on tren, but I feel great on tren, horny as hell and I didnt turn to steroids " just cause", I turned my life around and feel a lot better about myself without alcohol in my life

[Capebuffalo]

You traded one addiction for another. Hell I did the same thing but I was in my late 30's. Yes alcohol is hard on a body. But at your age and what your running it may turn out a lot worse. That's the last I will comment or post. Best of luck to you.

[Matt007]

From what I experience before to now is last time I cut, I did cardio ed, atleast 15-20 min before weights and lighter weight, higher rep range and found out my strength went to shit thus loosing muscle in return
This time around, using iifym for my dieting plan, dorian yates blood and guts " hit" program with 1 or 2 warmup sets and 1 working set (max weight) till failure and my strength has actually increased while chopping more bf this time around
My personal thoughts on this, it all comes down to your diet and training, keeping intensity high and lifting max weights for working sets

[< <Samson> >]

Shit bro, you think this is unhealthy? lol - I look healthy, but I am far from it


But, yeah bro - really reevaluate what you are trying to achieve. You don't want to fvck yourself up too bad.


Fvck, if I can grow - anyone can

[Matt007]

Shit bro, you think this is unhealthy? lol - I look healthy, but I am far from it


But, yeah bro - really reevaluate what you are trying to achieve. You don't want to fvck yourself up too bad.


Fvck, if I can grow - anyone can

I dont understand what u mean

[< <Samson> >]

I dont understand what u mean

It's not unhealthy enough to kill as fast as some things

But, understand that it's not necessary.

[Roger11]

/sigh.

[Lunk1]

Haters be hatin brah!

[Matt007]

Agreed, doesnt matter how well u get your physique, some people just wanna hate

[kelkel]

Matt visit Marcus's Diary in the Lounge for some great training tips and motivation. Take the time to read it from the beginning. You can learn a lot.

[--->>405<<---]

IF U REALLY are losing 1%bf per week (doubtful), it wont be long at all before u get to 12-14%. solid bf loss is in the neighborhood of .25-.5% per week. at 1% per week u cant ask for any better than that.

i agree with what has been said regarding ur irresponsible use of AAS.

[Matt007]

Really not hard to do when u start your cut after higher bf % equaling 1% bf loss per week, the next 6 to 7 pounds of fat loss is going to be abit tougher I believe to get down to my goal 10% bf, I follow a very strict diet plan, dont cheat once during the week, not a single ounce, 1 refeed day per week, I make it after measurement day on sunday and carb up, not only does refeeds help physically but def mentally as well, after my refeed all the shit I eat ( still have set macro's) I follow on refeed days but I eat whatever I want as long as it fits my macros, after my refeed day is up alli want to do is hop back on my diet again for the remander of the week, so I truly believe refeeds serve a purpose in a cal deficit with lower carbs throuhout the week

[Matt007]

Genitically I believe as well I can loose weight or gain weight fairly quick, always been that way, It all depends on your diet, forget the training aspect of things, obviously if your diet or u dip into crap while dieting down its going to delay your time on your cut, and eventually leading to failure to some

[Matt007]

Update on progress
This weeks measurements
Start of my cut 209lbs
End of week 8, 179.8lbs
Last week 181.8lbs
Macros last week
275p
100c
50f
Total cals 2030

Strength is great, looking alittle flat right now but as I been told once u hit the 10% mark thats where the definition starts to pop
Sick yeterday, maybe due to donating bloods on thursday, 1 day stomach bug, ate like shit but feel great today

[Matt007]

Week 9

Meal 1

2 scoops of iso protein
Cals 220 p 60 c 0 f 0

Meal 2

150g extra lean ground beef, 1 cup egg whites
Cals 375 p 60 c 0 f 15

Meal 3 pre w/o

150g extra lean ground beef, 5oz chicken breat, 3/4 cup rice
Cals 655 p 60 c 56 f 18

Meal 4 post w/o

2 scoops iso pro, 3 slices of bread 1 tsp natty pb
Cals 590 p 60 c 54 f 11

Meal 5
1 can of tuna, 1 whole egg
Cals 190 p 35 c 0 f 5

Cals 2030
Pro 275
Carb 110
Fat 50

[Unrealone]

i guess your overall goal is to lose weight? .. because if you want to look like you are lifting, you have to eat more and at your size and lack of lifting experience, you definitely arent going to get bigger with the mentzer hit techniques... you need to build a foundation, buddy... great work on the weight loss, but i guarantee you will feel and look much better if you eat more, do more working sets and do some cardio...relying on gear to drop the weight for you isnt the best way to go... just my .02c .. gl

[Matt007]

i guess your overall goal is to lose weight? .. because if you want to look like you are lifting, you have to eat more and at your size and lack of lifting experience, you definitely arent going to get bigger with the mentzer hit techniques... you need to build a foundation, buddy... great work on the weight loss, but i guarantee you will feel and look much better if you eat more, do more working sets and do some cardio...relying on gear to drop the weight for you isnt the best way to go... just my .02c .. gl

Nothing to do with gear man, lol, its called getting down to a low bf %, and building from there, for the last 2 years I have been all over theplace diet wise, now its time to get down to a good bf percentage and work from there, this articlei am goin to post pretty much explains whati was doing in my approach, once again not relying on gear , I am on 200mg/ week ( cruise dose), no t3, no clen, nothing

[Matt007]

To much bro science between bulking and cutting, when u lean out at a good bf%, u will appear bigger, its all about the illusion aspect not scale weight anyways

[Matt007]

i guess your overall goal is to lose weight? .. because if you want to look like you are lifting, you have to eat more and at your size and lack of lifting experience, you definitely arent going to get bigger with the mentzer hit techniques... you need to build a foundation, buddy... great work on the weight loss, but i guarantee you will feel and look much better if you eat more, do more working sets and do some cardio...relying on gear to drop the weight for you isnt the best way to go... just my .02c .. gl

Tell me if a guy is sitting at 17% bf or so u would tell them to eat more to look like u lift, lol, sounds kinda stupid if u ask me
I guarntee u, somebody sitting at 185lbs with 8 to 10% bf is going to look bigger then someone sitting at 220 with 20% bf

[RangerDanger830]

Interesting thread. A few thoughts...

1. You have made good progress. Keep it up. Training and nutrition are everything, not AAS.
2. Body weight doesn't matter so don't focus on it.
3. You don't need that much tren. You should grow into your dose. More is not better.
4. You seriously need occasional blood work. Value your health.

I agree with Kel, you have made good progress. Whether that progress is fitting for your AAS experience is subjective to whoever is looking at you. I think you have made great progress and shouldn't let anyone tell you that you are wasting your time. Body weight is not important, I really only use it to make sure my TDEE is close to accurate. I will say that you don't need that much Tren, you could get great results from 400mg. But then again, that is your choice.

Roger11 --

I think all they are saying is you are being a little harsh and disrespectful. You can say all that you said except with a lot more tact and respect. I am sure your girlfriend/wife has told you before, it's not what you say it's how you say it. We are all in at a different spot in our journey and we should respect each other for where we are. I'm sure you have done something stupid and have learned from it. We all have. It's called life. For the future try to actually give advice instead of rip someone apart. People will listen to your good advice, I know I would. You can carry this lesson throughout every aspect of your life. You will notice a difference in how people respond to you.

Good luck,

JP

I agree with peters here also. It doesn't matter if I am right or not, if I tell you good information and I am an ass about it then no one is going to listen anyway.

Just keep doing what you are doing Matt, a lot of other forums are full of guys who got picked on too much growing up so don't take it personally, the most critical ones are the ones who have the most issues. I cannot comment on your diet and exercise as I didn't pay much attention to it but whatever your doing is getting you're results and as long as you are happy with yourself then that is the most important part. Good luck.

[Matt007]

I agree with Kel, you have made good progress. Whether that progress is fitting for your AAS experience is subjective to whoever is looking at you. I think you have made great progress and shouldn't let anyone tell you that you are wasting your time. Body weight is not important, I really only use it to make sure my TDEE is close to accurate. I will say that you don't need that much Tren, you could get great results from 400mg. But then again, that is your choice.



I agree with peters here also. It doesn't matter if I am right or not, if I tell you good information and I am an ass about it then no one is going to listen anyway.

Just keep doing what you are doing Matt, a lot of other forums are full of guys who got picked on too much growing up so don't take it personally, the most critical ones are the ones who have the most issues. I cannot comment on your diet and exercise as I didn't pay much attention to it but whatever your doing is getting you're results and as long as you are happy with yourself then that is the most important part. Good luck.

Thanks man, much appreciated
Never been 10% bf in my life lol, its def a great feeling when uget comments or looks in your gym, I have been 240lbs with 20% or higher bf and looked like a bloob, and felt like one too, looked big with shirt on but when I ripped my shirt off i wasnt happy how I looked, decided to drop my cals slow, then eventually my last blast of tren I was getting strength gains but with the higher bf wasnt seeing great results body wise, so decided to end the cycle and go on a hard cut starting out 8 weeks ago at 209lbs, so whatever it takes to get me down to 10% bf probs another 6 to 7 weeks, then i will consider running tren and probably see great results with lower bf

[RangerDanger830]

Thanks man, much appreciated
Never been 10% bf in my life lol, its def a great feeling when uget comments or looks in your gym, I have been 240lbs with 20% or higher bf and looked like a bloob, and felt like one too, looked big with shirt on but when I ripped my shirt off i wasnt happy how I looked, decided to drop my cals slow, then eventually my last blast of tren I was getting strength gains but with the higher bf wasnt seeing great results body wise, so decided to end the cycle and go on a hard cut starting out 8 weeks ago at 209lbs, so whatever it takes to get me down to 10% bf probs another 6 to 7 weeks, then i will consider running tren and probably see great results with lower bf

Well this is a good time of year to cut with no shirt season nearly upon us. I would rather be 190 at 10%BF than 230 with 20% BF any day of the week.

[< <Samson> >]

All this does sound real similar to myself


BF is a biotch - I just can't see anyone wanting to stay fat. I have never been to 10% - but, I am close now. Having the constant proper diet is such a bitch!

[Matt007]

Agreed samson, all I wanted before is to get big, used the " eat big get big theory", never worked out so well, just kept getting stronger, but added alot of body fat in the process
When u are higher in bf its hard to see the muscle u put on with the layers of fat
I cant post the articlei wanted too but this one guy can relate to whati was doing to a tee!
I will try to copy and paste it