Cruising vs PCT if Done Correctly

[auswest]

Come to think of it my first cycle I did keep the same "weight" for 6 months but I didn't look nearly as good as I did coming off. Probably just exchanged the muscle for fat over time. That's depressing.

Yeah I experience the same
Scale weight is a very poor way to monitor change. Things may appear all well and good on the scales but it does not express a true picture of results. IMO cycling is pointless, I believe it is unhealthy and pointless.

[davesah1]

Yeah I experience the same
Scale weight is a very poor way to monitor change. Things may appear all well and good on the scales but it does not express a true picture of results. IMO cycling is pointless, I believe it is unhealthy and pointless.

Your advising bridging? That's first from anyone I've heard from on these forums. I going to PCT and lay off the gear for a while, but yeah I think I'm going to make the choice when I hop on again when I'm 25 or so to commit like a marriage and just stay on. Forever. The PCT is the most expensive part of the cycle and you basically paying to only look good for what 12-16 weeks?
For example you think its better to run a cycle and then keep on the test at say a modest amount, which I am not sure what that dose would be. I would guess 300-400mgs and rinse and repeat. If someone does "cruise" at a high HRT dose of say 200-250mgs would it make sense to taper your way down to that dose to maximize gain retention?

Also, then whats your take on guys that run short cycles like 6-8 weekers? Is that even more of a waste? I appreciate the feedback without flaming me. Thank you.

[auswest]

Your advising bridging? That's first from anyone I've heard from on these forums. I going to PCT and lay off the gear for a while, but yeah I think I'm going to make the choice when I hop on again when I'm 25 or so to commit like a marriage and just stay on. Forever. The PCT is the most expensive part of the cycle and you basically paying to only look good for what 12-16 weeks? For example you think its better to run a cycle and then keep on the test at say a modest amount, which I am not sure what that dose would be. I would guess 300-400mgs and rinse and repeat. If someone does "cruise" at a high HRT dose of say 200-250mgs would it make sense to taper your way down to that dose to maximize gain retention? Also, then whats your take on guys that run short cycles like 6-8 weekers? Is that even more of a waste? I appreciate the feedback without flaming me. Thank you.

I'm not advising it, as everyone's situation is different, and everyone's reasons for using may be different. But for me personally it got to a time where cycling on/off felt pointless and unhealthy. There soon becomes a time where cycling on/off starts to feel like a waste of time, attempting to maintain unnatural gains on lower than natural hormones for half the year is pointless, at this stage for me personally it is a waste trying to gain back your natural test production. It is a big commitment and not one I would choose to be on for simple reasons like pct is expensive. I made the choice for 2 reasons, 1. My latest natural test results came back at the lowest range of normal about 3-4 months post pct 2. I don't plan to stop using anytime soon. So now given that my recovery is becoming really hard and at best low end of normal, I could proberly recover better but I want to keep using steroids, so for me the answer is simple, why am I going to cycle and gain lbm for a few months then spend the next 3 months with test levels of a 60-70 year old man. Waste of time as I'm only going to get back on again without being "fully recovered" can I ever fully recover? Proberly not, am I willing to spend long enough off using to find out? No

If you want to know what I truly advise?
That would be not to touch steroids full stop, and if you have, then get out while you can. That's my honest advise.

[michael30]

I'm not advising it, as everyone's situation is different, and everyone's reasons for using may be different. But for me personally it got to a time where cycling on/off felt pointless and unhealthy. There soon becomes a time where cycling on/off starts to feel like a waste of time, attempting to maintain unnatural gains on lower than natural hormones for half the year is pointless, at this stage for me personally it is a waste trying to gain back your natural test production. It is a big commitment and not one I would choose to be on for simple reasons like pct is expensive. I made the choice for 2 reasons, 1. My latest natural test results came back at the lowest range of normal about 3-4 months post pct 2. I don't plan to stop using anytime soon. So now given that my recovery is becoming really hard and at best low end of normal, I could proberly recover better but I want to keep using steroids, so for me the answer is simple, why am I going to cycle and gain lbm for a few months then spend the next 3 months with test levels of a 60-70 year old man. Waste of time as I'm only going to get back on again without being "fully recovered" can I ever fully recover? Proberly not, am I willing to spend long enough off using to find out? No

If you want to know what I truly advise?
That would be not to touch steroids full stop, and if you have, then get out while you can. That's my honest advise.

Im curious, could you please list your stats???

[lovbyts]

Im curious, could you please list your stats???

auswest is not asking for advice so no stats needed.
Just because you dont like the process doesn't mean it's going to change or we are going to stop asking. Even though I have been here for years I fully expect to be asked my stats and more if I am asking for advice.

[michael30]

auswest is not asking for advice so no stats needed.
Just because you dont like the process doesn't mean it's going to change or we are going to stop asking. Even though I have been here for years I fully expect to be asked my stats and more if I am asking for advice.

Huh? Your post makes zero sense? None!! Not sure how you came to the conclusion that i said anything about not liking any process? Did you just make that part up or are you making assumptions?

[lovbyts]

Huh? Your post makes zero sense? None!! Not sure how you came to the conclusion that i said anything about not liking any process? Did you just make that part up or are you making assumptions?

Yup it was an assumption. Sorry I though you had commented in this post about hating people asking for stats, you asking auswest looked sarcastic but sorry if I was wrong. This is the post I was thinking of, read from my phone a few days ago but obviously you did not comment in it.
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-l...ouchebags.html

[davesah1]

auswest is not asking for advice so no stats needed.
Just because you dont like the process doesn't mean it's going to change or we are going to stop asking. Even though I have been here for years I fully expect to be asked my stats and more if I am asking for advice.

5'7 at 202 pounds at 13% BF my best friend.

[davesah1]

auswest is not asking for advice so no stats needed.
Just because you dont like the process doesn't mean it's going to change or we are going to stop asking. Even though I have been here for years I fully expect to be asked my stats and more if I am asking for advice.

5'7 at 202 pounds at 13% BF my best friend.

[davesah1]

I'm not advising it, as everyone's situation is different, and everyone's reasons for using may be different. But for me personally it got to a time where cycling on/off felt pointless and unhealthy. There soon becomes a time where cycling on/off starts to feel like a waste of time, attempting to maintain unnatural gains on lower than natural hormones for half the year is pointless, at this stage for me personally it is a waste trying to gain back your natural test production. It is a big commitment and not one I would choose to be on for simple reasons like pct is expensive. I made the choice for 2 reasons, 1. My latest natural test results came back at the lowest range of normal about 3-4 months post pct 2. I don't plan to stop using anytime soon. So now given that my recovery is becoming really hard and at best low end of normal, I could proberly recover better but I want to keep using steroids, so for me the answer is simple, why am I going to cycle and gain lbm for a few months then spend the next 3 months with test levels of a 60-70 year old man. Waste of time as I'm only going to get back on again without being "fully recovered" can I ever fully recover? Proberly not, am I willing to spend long enough off using to find out? No

If you want to know what I truly advise?
That would be not to touch steroids full stop, and if you have, then get out while you can. That's my honest advise.

well basically this is my second cycle and i have no intention of stopping anytime soon and I'd rather commit for life and be monster and die happy at whatever age than die without living what I want with a piss face on. Obviously bloods would be done often and test is dirt cheap, about than 25 a month to cruise. I got into the game and know I won't retain half these gains naturally, esp off tren. I'm torn apart rn. damn. Happiness vs. overall health (to a degree).