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    Quote Originally Posted by Shol'va View Post
    Watching TV tonight and they were showing the thousands of Illegal children streaming across the borders. Coming from As far away as Central And South America. They are streaming across all the southern borders.....except for one state which has no one coming across their border. that state is Arizona. But protesters on both sides of the issue are out in California telling their sides of the story. But if these illegals truly think it's legal and right for them to just walk across our borders and be a part of America then why do they all wait till dark and why do they smuggle across the borders instead of just proudly walking across in daylight. Because they know it's wrong and against our law! I have no issue with anyone signing up for immigration into our nation through the proper channels, but why should we let the illegals in who are paying someone else south of the border thousands of dollars to smuggle them to America? No one here gets in on any of the money and those who were interviewed tonight said they paid around 9 grand to get here. It's all wrong imo. Makes one wonder how many terrorists are coming across that same unsafe border and why our border patrol isn't doing a much better job of finding and returning these illegals. But one more slap on the American faces is the fact that none of these illegals once they arrive and smuggle in, none even want to learn the english language spoken here. They also keep to their own customs wanting nothing to do with our ways here. And most are sending most of their illegal earnings from here back to mexico and elsewhere. So what do we as a nation gain by looking the other way as they continue to use up our resources such as medicare social security and many other programs which were set up to help the American poor already here. Not to mention the horrid burden on our schools as well. These illegals should be treated with respect and dignity but also should be returned until they can legally enter full time to stay if that is their wish. We all have come from somewhere else like Ireland, England, France, Germany, and elsewhere around the world. But the big difference is that we came here through the legal channels and were not smuggled over the border at 2 in the morning. They all know what they are doing is wrong and against the law but they still do it and refuse to stop. Why do they think that they can ignore the law and do what they want? And now we have legal Americans who also think it's ok to ignore the immigration laws and let them all in. So at that rate what's the point of even making laws if no one will follow them. And why should some be above our laws? they all should be allowed to be given the chance to sign up for immigration legally but until then they must go back home. IMO Boy what a way to start out in a foreign country by illegally breaking into that country, use their school system for free, use their health care and monetary aid systems, never paying a penny for any of it. Hell no wonder everyone wants to come to America, free ride on the backs of the taxpayers. Hell I don't blame the illegals one bit. If I were illegal I would sneak in here to! Come to America everything is free........
    This is such a complex issue. If we have immigration laws, then they need to be enforced. Otherwise let's either abolish or modify the existing laws.

    Here's the part that bugs me.

    Many of these people are desperate, looking for a way out of their bleak existence. So they do what they do, cross the border at night covertly.

    If the tables were turned, would I be so noble and say "I will not sneak across the border in search of a better life and try and help my family?"

    I honestly don't know the answer to that..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Times Roman View Post
    This is such a complex issue. If we have immigration laws, then they need to be enforced. Otherwise let's either abolish or modify the existing laws.

    Here's the part that bugs me.

    Many of these people are desperate, looking for a way out of their bleak existence. So they do what they do, cross the border at night covertly.

    If the tables were turned, would I be so noble and say "I will not sneak across the border in search of a better life and try and help my family?"

    I honestly don't know the answer to that..........

    Then the question arises, What should the man here do who is losing his job to said illegals do to provide a better life or any kind of life for his family?
    You are right, it is a complex issue and I dont pretend to know the answer. I do have a sneaky suspicion that had we spent a good portion of the money we have spent in the middle east only to have military we trained and supplied with weapons and supplies turning and running away leaving said weapons and supplies for some flavor of the week militant group that is taking over the country on securing our own borders and preventing illegal immigration, our economy would be better off than it currently is. Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup View Post
    Then the question arises, What should the man here do who is losing his job to said illegals do to provide a better life or any kind of life for his family?
    You are right, it is a complex issue and I dont pretend to know the answer. I do have a sneaky suspicion that had we spent a good portion of the money we have spent in the middle east only to have military we trained and supplied with weapons and supplies turning and running away leaving said weapons and supplies for some flavor of the week militant group that is taking over the country on securing our own borders and preventing illegal immigration, our economy would be better off than it currently is. Just saying.
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    I agree. I can't pretend to know the answer. When we mix two cultures the way we are doing, one being a below poverty, subsistence existence, and the other a middle class existence, it dilutes both, bringing up those at the below poverty level, and brings down those competing for the same jobs in the middle class. I can't blame the illegal for trying to survive, and I can't blame the citizen for being angry for losing ground on quality of life issues.

    If our politicians would be willing to make some difficult decisions that could possibly impact their careers negatively, (this list of issues is staggering), then maybe we could get something done. But politicians serve their own self interests first, and 99% (just a number I pulled out my hat) would never do such a thing. So we continue to watch this country slide into irrelevance, like watching a slow motion train wreck.

    My point, is that if we are to have immigration laws, then we need to enforce them. But I think they should also be realistic. If the legislature creates laws no one is willing to enforce, or there are insufficient resources to enforce, then we need to relook at either the law or the resources.

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