I agree only a little.... newbie should know how to diet with clean foods before bulking or going into a bulking period.... how can you eat clean if you don’t know how, have never done it and eat a **** load of rich foods and expect to lean down with out loosing mass…. They should start by only trying to gain lean mass by eating whole foods.

As for 5000 plus... the more muscle mass you attain the higher your metabolic rate is.... that’s like trying to compare my body at 227 13% BF to a 260lb @ 13% BF.... you can't. If I eat under 3500 I can’t keep my head on straight, hunger head ache blow through my head. That’s my body weight.... but also my metabolism... I estimate a 250lb 10%BF BBer will need a minimum of 5000 not to loose muscle mass… they could go as low as 4000 when leaning and zig zag two week cycles of high cals to lower cals.... but no lower than 4000 if they are trying to gain while leaning also… If just a diet down a 250 bloak could creep down to 3500, but get ready for some hunger headaches…. On an all out bulk on T3 6000 is not much at all bro...
There is one thing that newbie’s do that makes me say eat high protein over 1 gram.... they don’t eat enough carbs and concentrate on protein alone... By doing so they let there body experience catabolic effects through out the day. Which leads to your body reacting by hoarding fat even more.... To the newbie’s.... you need carbs for energy to operate, function, to move and train... the protein you eat can be lower than 1.5g even 1g if you are using that protein solely as a repair nutrient due to hypertrophy.... But if you’re not eating enough carbs to sustain yourself though out the day and during training then you will need more protein to stave off you bodies own protein cannibalism when blood sugars are too low and adipose is too precious....



Quote Originally Posted by MBaraso
5000 plus...no one needs more then that to grow IMO>
Also the protein thing: 1 gram per body lb is more then enough to grow.
When you wanna get big though...eat like your big. Yes the more you eat, the more you're going to grow.
I think the biggest misconception that newbies have is that they're going to eat everything in site while taking AS, and they're not going to gain any body fat. This is not true. Alot of first timers come off the cycle and feel fat. Well IMO that's ok, because u gained mass that you never had before. That was the purpose right?
"Some" people can get away with this (Bulking & cutting at the same time). I can't...
"Most" People when truely bulking gain bodyfat. If your lucky enough that can do both at the same time, then God bless you.
Another quote "If you don't have the steak...U can't cut it." So I urge all the guys out there that are 150lbs (like I once was) To eat, eat, and eat somemore.
Goodluck,

M