Yeah still wondering if the pre workouts are causing this, could just be morning fatigue due to the workouts the night before since i train around 730-8om and usually leave the gym after 9 or 930 , yes i do usually sleep at the same time, id say I usually fall asleep at 130 and I just wake up whenever my body does which is usually around 11, since I am in college, only one 8am class but I have a month off right now. Will be off pre workouts next week, took last night off and woke up feeling good this morning, I am just going to take a caffeine pill before today's workout at 530 and see how i feel tomorrow.