Opinions On the switch.

[chris_columbia]

Im running my very first cycle ( Im happier than a white girl with starbucks ATM) Im running test E 250mg x2 a week (Mon-Thurs) I literally chose the days because that's what seemed most popular on this forum, AI is Arimidex @ 0.25mg EoD unless other sides are observed in that case i will double that dose, Human Chorionic Gondaotropin 250IUS x2 week (Same days as test Inj) Pct is clomid (100/75/50/50) Nolva (40/40/20/20)

I have 2500mg of anavar i bought to use with this cycle first off, but since that's only enough to run it at 7 weeks @50mg i've been seeking something that has a bit more 'Bang for myBuck' my source just got in some T-bol 20mg tabs, im going to buy 100 of them regardless of what your opinions are , because the price is too good to pass up, but if it's better suited to use them another time, i will always have them sitting around at least.

Any Advice? 50mg Anavar / 50mg T-bol MG 4 MG T-bol will add more mass, correct? Any negative sides that come with T-bol , or any of your personal opinions on T-bol are much appreciated. I would be running the t-bol at 50mg for 6 weeks.

[chris_columbia]

My goal is a lean bulk , if that helps make the decision clearer,
My stats are
Age- 25
Bf% -15
Weight 197
Height- 6'1"
I started my test e cycle 3.5 weeks ago at 190 and Have already put on 7lbs , granted it's not all muscle, the strength increase is definitely there

[ojm3]

Test only first cycle

[derekkpapa1]

Seinfeld could not pull of the switch what's makes you think you can?
When do you plan on run tbol or anavar?
you better off on your first cycle eating more
Anavar gains are slower and steadier
Tbol will bloat you more and have more sides where you have to adjust your ai

[chris_columbia]

Seinfeld could not pull of the switch what's makes you think you can?
When do you plan on run tbol or anavar?
you better off on your first cycle eating more
Anavar gains are slower and steadier
Tbol will bloat you more and have more sides where you have to adjust your ai

lol, i am eating a **** ton , since it's my first cycle , i just want to make the best of it, i haven't had one negative side from the test, since im discontinuing a 6 month Accutane cycle today, acne wont be a problem the only bad side i see is increased libido, you can see why this would be bad having a desk job, having to walk around the office quite often.

I plan on running either Anavar at 50mg ed for the last 7 weeks, or Tbol for the last 6 weeks at 50mg.

My body is responding very well to test e alone so i see no harm in adding in one more compound, as long as i'm not going super overboard.

[ojm3]

Learn your body dude test only first cycle! http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

[chris_columbia]

I've read that t-BOL is just like dbol except it's 4-chloro alteration, which means it's impossible for it to convert into anything (estrogen included)
Something about the 4-chloro sub in the A-Ring of it's steran nucleus
Is that correct?

[ojm3]

If you read that you wouldn't be asking this dumb ass question.

[chris_columbia]

I know you will preach what everyon else on this forum preaches, and i would of said the same thing 4 weeks ago, but i'm feeling Alpha as fuark on this shit, like the over all feeling of well being is some true sheit my man, and knowing there's no negatives, i want to bump the gains up a tad bit, at least help me out with the t-bol if you know anything about it, i did clearly state if it was in my best interest i would save the BOL for a later cycle, although the var i will be running 100%, unless i see fit to use tbol instead.

[chris_columbia]

If you read that you wouldn't be asking this dumb ass question.

Pleas don't be immature on this thread, i started this thread to further my knowledge on ONE compound and get some other peoples feedback, just because i read something doesen't make it true, that's why i came here TO SEEK ADVICE FROM KNOWLEDGEABLE VETS.

Please don't try to tear me and this thread apart, i do have good intentions.

[ojm3]

Because when a coke head is high on coke n wants more we should give the coke head coke right? Chill out bro enjoy your buzz and put more focus into your diet and the gym. Test only bro. Next cycle add some deca or more test. But you need a base run to figure out how your body will react to sides. Most important is how you blood levels will be and how your AI is responding.

[chris_columbia]

Learn your body dude test only first cycle! http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

I've read that whole sticky time and time again, thank you for the link for the 1,343,353,545 time hahaha , i used that as my basis for my first cycle, but you know most guys out there didn't just run test there first cycle, and most vets here probably didn't as well, I know i sound like a stubborn little kid that just wants to hear what i want to hear, but i am open to anything you guys have to say.

I have learned more on these forums from you guys, whom i don't even know, versus my good friend who i went to high school with who's been juicing since he was like 17, he told me to do this and that for my first cycle ( NO AI AND NO PCT) his logic was shit and he gave me the shittiest doses to run. Although the juice got him big as FUARK , i can tell when something doesen't feel right.

I'm certain he will be on TRT one day, his dads been juicing since back in the day (Arnold times) so his word is god to him lol, he doesen't even know what HCG is

[chris_columbia]

Because when a coke head is high on coke n wants more we should give the coke head coke right? Chill out bro enjoy your buzz and put more focus into your diet and the gym. Test only bro. Next cycle add some deca or more test. But you need a base run to figure out how your body will react to sides. Most important is how you blood levels will be and how your AI is responding.

Not trying be an ass or dick, i wan't to make some friends on this forum, what was your first cycle? How old were you when you did it,and what gains did you achieve? Serioulsy, not trying to be an ass, this is a serious question.

[derekkpapa1]

Stop stop back and forth stuff.

I would not touch any orals till you get blood work checking your liver values.
Accutane is very harsh on your liver. Was accutane self prescribed or by doctor?
Have you gotten blood work?
Again no orals right now

[ojm3]

The biggest reason test only is to have a base to how tour body responds to sides and your blood levels. This way you know exactly how your body does with your cycle. Next time you add a compound you'll have a good guess as to how go about protocol. For example. You take test and anvar then come up with gyno you won't know which caused it.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Seinfeld could not pull of the switch what's makes you think you can? When do you plan on run tbol or anavar? you better off on your first cycle eating more Anavar gains are slower and steadier Tbol will bloat you more and have more sides where you have to adjust your ai

I don't agree with Tbol causing bloat or needing an AI
Dbol bloat- sure
anadrol bloat - sure
Tbol bloat - not at all

[chris_columbia]

Stop stop back and forth stuff.

I would not touch any orals till you get blood work checking your liver values.
Accutane is very harsh on your liver. Was accutane self prescribed or by doctor?
Have you gotten blood work?
Again no orals right now

Yes it was prescribed by my doctor my case was mild/severe ( i had bad acne all through high school but if you've ever dealt with acne like i did you know it kills self esteem and confidence looking like someone is cooking a pepperoni pizza on your face) so i took 160mg of myorisan ed for the last 3 months, and 80-120mg the first three.

Now my face is clear as a baby's buttocks although the sides were terrible, i felt like my lips were going to crack like glass and fall off they were so dry and i started peeling similar to a lizard ,although not as bad just a tad flaky.

I got blood work every month and did my last blood work one week go , my Dermatologist said she was amazed at how quickly my body metabolized the stuff, she said my liver and triglycerides were perfect, actually she said everything about my blood work was perfect, it was like i wasn't taking anything she said.

[ojm3]

Not trying be an ass or dick, i wan't to make some friends on this forum, what was your first cycle? How old were you when you did it,and what gains did you achieve? Serioulsy, not trying to be an ass, this is a serious question.

My bad dude no coffee yet. No excuse your looking for help my bad on takin your head off. No coffee and just had to spend 4 dollars on a shake cause I left mine at home. I'm a prick lol

[derekkpapa1]

I don't agree with Tbol causing bloat or needing an AI
Dbol bloat- sure
anadrol bloat - sure
Tbol bloat - not at all

You are right I was thinking dbol thanks for correcting me
Bigger issue is this guys liver

[chris_columbia]

My bad dude no coffee yet. No excuse your looking for help my bad on takin your head off. No coffee and just had to spend 4 dollars on a shake cause I left mine at home. I'm a prick lol

It's all good man, i know how it is, i'm not a morning person myself either.

[ojm3]

Thanks man. Have u had bloods drawn on cycle yet?

[derekkpapa1]

Chris what the answer to questions to post #14

[chris_columbia]

You are right I was thinking dbol thanks for correcting me
Bigger issue is this guys liver

My liver was perfect my DOC said , all on 7 of my blood tests, within a 6-7 month period.

She said the only time it was slightly elevated was this one time i had a couple beers with a friend the day before my blood work, this was the first time i had a drink in longer than i can remember.

Drinking is definitely like a once or twice year thing for me (usually christmas and my birthday) i'm still not the type to drink to get drunk though, don't think i'm some raging alcoholic, lol.

[chris_columbia]

Chris what the answer to questions to post #14

I'm unsure what you are asking, please elaborate.

[chris_columbia]

Thanks man. Have u had bloods drawn on cycle yet?

I have not yet bad bloods drawn, i was planning on waiting a little longer pehaps maybe 2 weeks into whatever oral i was planning on taking so i wouldn't have to get alot done, and that way i could see how my test levels are, and how my liver is being affected, at the same time. sound good?

[Buster Brown]

You will be fine.....just remember this is a Marathon and not a sprint. It takes a bit for this stuff to really sink in and everyone has there own learning curve. We were all in your shoes at one time.

[derekkpapa1]

I'm unsure what you are asking, please elaborate.

I was asking about bloods and liver values.
Be very careful with accutane

[chris_columbia]

I was asking about bloods and liver values.
Be very careful with accutane

Oh yes that was the answer, as i said my Doctor was amazed at how my liver handled the stuff, she said some people can't even handle a month of the stuff and they have to jump off, she gave me highest dosage she's given almost anyone she said, and my body absolutely crushed the stuff , i'm not sure why i metablozied the stuff so quickly , i wish it was the same with food , damn endomorph problems.

[chris_columbia]

You will be fine.....just remember this is a Marathon and not a sprint. It takes a bit for this stuff to really sink in and everyone has there own learning curve. We were all in your shoes at one time.

Thanks for the support man. I am taking it one step at a time, and each step is very well thought out and planned, as you guys can tell from my posts, i don't make any of my own decisions without consulting you guys first.

[ojm3]

Let us know how it goes man and get those bloods drawn so u can check levels

[chris_columbia]

Will do pal, Living here on the east coast (US) is it hard to get bloodwork done for things like that? I don't want to have to go in to a doctors office and tell them i want to get a blood test done to monitor my test levels/ E2 and liver, i think i've heard of ways to do it online?

[derekkpapa1]

What state do you live in

[ojm3]

Will do pal, Living here on the east coast (US) is it hard to get bloodwork done for things like that? I don't want to have to go in to a doctors office and tell them i want to get a blood test done to monitor my test levels/ E2 and liver, i think i've heard of ways to do it online?

Damn man that sucks here in Fl. There are tons of pivate testing facilities cause all the old people. You can literally walk in and pay for an blood test you like. My wife got a full panel lipids thyroid the whole 9 yards...$95

[chris_columbia]

What state do you live in

I live beside the ocean in the middle.