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    Quote Originally Posted by OingoBoingo View Post
    Usually there is precious little Vitamin D in multi-vitamins.

    Because the UV rays needed to make Vitamin D can't make it through the ozone layers at oblique angles, Vitamin D can only be made a few hours each day.

    Gotta remember our ancestors were nudists, and if you are not outside with your shirt off for a half hour between the hours of 10 and 2, chances are your levels are low.

    IIRC, only 36% of Floridians have sufficient levels of Vitamin D, compared to the national average of 30%.

    Whoa! That's some great insight. Do you think I should try a vitamin D supplement and see how I feel? (Without getting another blood test to check vitamin D levels)

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    Quote Originally Posted by vrocketv View Post
    Whoa! That's some great insight. Do you think I should try a vitamin D supplement and see how I feel? (Without getting another blood test to check vitamin D levels)
    An interesting rule of thumb is that one cannot make Vitamin D if their shadow is longer than their height. Good thing to remember.

    Dr. Bruce Hollis (who did an interesting study saying that it took a minimum of 6,500IU of D3 given to nursing mothers daily (IIRC, living in Atlanta where they make Vitamin D year-round) for their milk to contain enough Vitamin D to raise their babies' Vitamin D to sufficient levels), said there is no sense to taking less than 10,000IU of D3 daily.

    If you were a nudist living in an area where you could make Vitamin D year-round, you would make about 10,000IU per day.

    If a nudist making 10,000IU daily, supplemented with 10,000IU daily, they would still be way below the daily 46,000IU amount proven to cause hypercalcemia.

    The half-life of D3 is about 2 months (Vitamin D made by your body has a slightly longer half-life), which means it would take about 6 months for blood levels to stabilize.

    It is my opinion that one's Vitamin D level is something we should all track for life. So I wouldn't say don't get your Vitamin D levels checked. Although it's important to understand that as it takes 6 months to blood levels to stabilize, checking Vitamin D twice a year is probably good enough.

    I live just 13 or so degrees above the equator, took 10,000IU daily for about 6 months, and noticed no adverse reactions. Blood Calcium is normal. Didn't measure urine Calcium because I don't care about that; if my Vitamin D was above 125 nmol/L I would expect urine Calcium to be higher because that's how we get rid of excess Calcium.

    Recently, I read that high-levels of Vitamin D can increase E2 (can't remember if it was Aromatase or a different pathway/enzyme), and decreased my D3 to 5,000IU daily. I'm regretting that now (as I didn't know it took 6 months for blood levels to stabilize), but will ride it out for 6 months to see what happens.

    I don't know if you'll feel better, but there is increasing evidence that Vitamin D is one of the most important things you can supplement.

    So things to take away:

    • Check your Vitamin D levels for life!
    • Don't be afraid of D3 10,000IU daily.


    Hope that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OingoBoingo View Post
    An interesting rule of thumb is that one cannot make Vitamin D if their shadow is longer than their height. Good thing to remember.

    Dr. Bruce Hollis (who did an interesting study saying that it took a minimum of 6,500IU of D3 given to nursing mothers daily (IIRC, living in Atlanta where they make Vitamin D year-round) for their milk to contain enough Vitamin D to raise their babies' Vitamin D to sufficient levels), said there is no sense to taking less than 10,000IU of D3 daily.

    If you were a nudist living in an area where you could make Vitamin D year-round, you would make about 10,000IU per day.

    If a nudist making 10,000IU daily, supplemented with 10,000IU daily, they would still be way below the daily 46,000IU amount proven to cause hypercalcemia.


    The half-life of D3 is about 2 months (Vitamin D made by your body has a slightly longer half-life), which means it would take about 6 months for blood levels to stabilize.

    It is my opinion that one's Vitamin D level is something we should all track for life. So I wouldn't say don't get your Vitamin D levels checked. Although it's important to understand that as it takes 6 months to blood levels to stabilize, checking Vitamin D twice a year is probably good enough.

    I live just 13 or so degrees above the equator, took 10,000IU daily for about 6 months, and noticed no adverse reactions. Blood Calcium is normal. Didn't measure urine Calcium because I don't care about that; if my Vitamin D was above 125 nmol/L I would expect urine Calcium to be higher because that's how we get rid of excess Calcium.

    Recently, I read that high-levels of Vitamin D can increase E2 (can't remember if it was Aromatase or a different pathway/enzyme), and decreased my D3 to 5,000IU daily. I'm regretting that now (as I didn't know it took 6 months for blood levels to stabilize), but will ride it out for 6 months to see what happens.

    I don't know if you'll feel better, but there is increasing evidence that Vitamin D is one of the most important things you can supplement.

    So things to take away:

    • Check your Vitamin D levels for life!
    • Don't be afraid of D3 10,000IU daily.


    Hope that helps.
    Thanks, I just found a good argument for moving to a nudist colony and it not be for voyeurism reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    Thanks, I just found a good argument for moving to a nudist colony and it not be for voyeurism reasons.
    Yeah, well, moving to a nudist colony and taking 5mg of Cialis daily might get me a part-time job as a human sundial!

    Coincidentally, this afternoon a friend and I were walking along the beach in Pattaya getting a little Vitamin D, we were talking about Vitamin D, and I mentioned the Florida statistic; 36% are sufficient in Vitamin D compared to the national average of 30%.

    He asked me if I knew the levels of every state.

    "Nope, only Florida."

    "Why Florida," he asked.

    "I find Florida interesting; it's the only place in the world where, statistically, people are born Hispanic, and die Jewish."

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    Quote Originally Posted by OingoBoingo View Post
    An interesting rule of thumb is that one cannot make Vitamin D if their shadow is longer than their height. Good thing to remember.
    Great, now I'll be staring at my shadow all the time.
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