HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

[groupa199]

This question may have been asked before about preparing hcg so sorry in advance if it has.
My hcg is prescription and contains ampules with 1500iu hcg and 1ml normal saline. So far I have been getting my hcg injection at the doctor twice per week per the prescription for 1 week. Theres probably no way to adjust the mixture so I get 250iu twice per week. What is my best option ?

[austinite]

This question may have been asked before about preparing hcg so sorry in advance if it has.
My hcg is prescription and contains ampules with 1500iu hcg and 1ml normal saline. So far I have been getting my hcg injection at the doctor twice per week per the prescription for 1 week. Theres probably no way to adjust the mixture so I get 250iu twice per week. What is my best option ?

You can adjust to whatever you want. The math formula is listed in this thread for your reference.

[thatyoungdr]

Any reason to take a break mid cycle so hcg receptors can reset? Mega dose after cycle but before pct?

[groupa199]

I have been using hcg for several weeks now at 250iu twice per week. I find that the hcg pin really gives a big sting like an instant cork at the site. The test-e I don't really feel at all.

[kelkel]

Any reason to take a break mid cycle so hcg receptors can reset? Mega dose after cycle but before pct?

No, none at all. Sorry we didn't see this post earlier.

I have been using hcg for several weeks now at 250iu twice per week. I find that the hcg pin really gives a big sting like an instant cork at the site. The test-e I don't really feel at all.

Make sure the alcohol is dry before you pin. Also, you can simply touch the pin to the skin in the area you plan on injecting and feel whether it's a sensitive area or not. If so, move over a tiny bit.

[austinite]

Thanks, Kel.

[groupa199]

Thanks Kelkel , I will wait till the alcohol dries. I have tried different spots and find the pain is only there after injection. Inserting the pin I don't really feel but when I push the liquid in is when I get a sudden sting. It also feels like a cork in the muscle for about 5 minutes if I walk or flex the muscle.

[anabolicsqa]

Hi Austinite, nice write-up. Answers many questions for me and others.

Forgive me if this was already asked, but can HCG restore a male's ability to procreate?
Also, when on HCG, is it important to decrease AAS/TRT dosages, or does it not matter?

I have been on TRT for a while now (also stacking in some AAS), but my doc never wrote me a prescription for HCG. I'm realizing I should start using HCG, for the same reasons given in the OP, and before found this thread I posted a question about HCG in the TRT forum.

[austinite]

Forgive me if this was already asked, but can HCG restore a male's ability to procreate?

Yes, many docs prescribe it. But I recommend hMG for that purpose as it mimics LH and FSH.

Also, when on HCG, is it important to decrease AAS/TRT dosages, or does it not matter?

Not sure I understand the question. Blood work will tell you if you need to adjust your TRT dose. That can't really be answered as it is individualistic.

[charger69]

The dosage states 5000 iu. They provide 1 ml of liquid.
When i mix it i get the following
5000/1=5000
There are 10 units per ml on syringe (3 ml)
5000/10=500
250 iu/500= 1/2 unit. - almost nothing

Is this correct? It is way different than the example however the math provides this.
I am sure that i am missing something but i can't figure it out. The main differnece is the amount of liquid.
This kit supposedly had everything needed.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I am pretty sure you screwed yourself.
The liquid it comes with is for one time use.
You are supposed to mix it with bacteriostatic water.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

If you mixed 5000iu with 1 ml the every .1ml has 500iu or every .05ml has 250iu. Very small indeed. That is why most with mix it with 5ml. I mix it with 3ml 'cause that is how big the vial of dried hCG can hold.

[charger69]

Can i fix it by adding bact. Water?

[600@50]

Once you've mixed with the sodium chloride solution it's one time use. Bac water only for multiple use.

[Paden5971]

Is Hcg also know as Pregnyl?

[600@50]

Pregnyl is one of several brand names for HCG.

[charger69]

Where can you purchase bac water?

[600@50]

Amazon and various online medical supply sites carry bac water.

[austinite]

Thanks, 600@50.

[Gorgos]

Does this apply to long-term usage such as cruise and blast for several years?

Ive heard lots of stories from ppl claiming that using HCG for couple of months will denz your leydig cells but it says that if you wont use HCG it can happen anyway?

Thats why some ppl use so called "power PCT".

[600@50]

I can tell you for a fact that years of TRT without HCG will cause your testicles to shrink. I gave them a good 8 months of HCG at 250iu twice a week and one came almost back to normal and the other one no response. So if it matters to you about your testicles maintaining size then by all means use the HCG. Does it matter if you take it or not? I went close to 20 years on TRT without HCG and everything still functions no problem. Just have raisins instead of balls. The only real upside is they don't get in the way anymore.

[Gorgos]

I can tell you for a fact that years of TRT without HCG will cause your testicles to shrink. I gave them a good 8 months of HCG at 250iu twice a week and one came almost back to normal and the other one no response. So if it matters to you about your testicles maintaining size then by all means use the HCG. Does it matter if you take it or not? I went close to 20 years on TRT without HCG and everything still functions no problem. Just have raisins instead of balls. The only real upside is they don't get in the way anymore.

If you do heavy cycles for months and years then its beneficial for your recovery to use HCG on cycle. TRT is for life so I can understand why you dont choose HCG, feels like a different purpose.

[numbere]

If you do heavy cycles for months and years then its beneficial for your recovery to use HCG on cycle. TRT is for life so I can understand why you dont choose HCG, feels like a different purpose.

Hcg is has more benefits than just increasing the rate of recovery. Everyone who takes AAS should use hcg. This is due to the fact that exogenous test will stop natural LH production and hcg mimis LH.

When taking test cholesterol will increase. Cholesterol is very important in our bodies because it's the beginning structure for many hormones, but having too much is not healthy. Cytochrome p450 is an enzyme which is stimulated by LH, and changes cholesterol into other important hormones. Using hcg helps keep enzyme and hormonal pathways flowing. This is why many report an increased sense of well being when adding hcg to their cycle.

[600@50]

If you do heavy cycles for months and years then its beneficial for your recovery to use HCG on cycle. TRT is for life so I can understand why you dont choose HCG, feels like a different purpose.

Only in the past few years has the benefits of HCG been understood while on TRT. No doctor prescribed HCG 10 years ago for TRT patients. HCG has a place in all AAS usage if you care about testicular atrophy and other health benefits.

[Gorgos]

Hcg is has more benefits than just increasing the rate of recovery. Everyone who takes AAS should use hcg. This is due to the fact that exogenous test will stop natural LH production and hcg mimis LH.

When taking test cholesterol will increase. Cholesterol is very important in our bodies because it's the beginning structure for many hormones, but having too much is not healthy. Cytochrome p450 is an enzyme which is stimulated by LH, and changes cholesterol into other important hormones. Using hcg helps keep enzyme and hormonal pathways flowing. This is why many report an increased sense of well being when adding hcg to their cycle.

I love HCG and always include in on my cycles but I had a discussion with some old-school bodybuilders who told me HCG is only beneficial during PCT and they said that the stuff on the internet is only science its not practical for 5 cent.

Its kinda sad since HCG is very important, probably more important than pct.

[n1x0n]

I don't see any references. Can you post the reference for the claim that HCG doesn't lose effect until 90 days? Would be interesting to read, don't think I've seen it before.

[edmondle]

Austinite thanks for the great info, sorry if this question have been answered before. How much and how many injection HCG for TRT protocol? Is it the same as AAS cycle at 250IUX2 a week?

Thanks

[austinite]

Austinite thanks for the great info, sorry if this question have been answered before. How much and how many injection HCG for TRT protocol? Is it the same as AAS cycle at 250IUX2 a week?

Thanks

It varies per individual. Use as little as possible that works. No need to waste. 250 twice weekly is a good start but lately been proven to be a hefty dose for most. You don't need a whole lot. So long as your testes are full or "Normal sized", you'll be fine.

[kelkel]

So long as your testes are full or "Normal sized", you'll be fine.

Who's judging?

[austinite]

Who's judging?

You be the judge.

[kelkel]

You be the judge.

Crap. Gotta warm my hands up.

[n1x0n]

Can I use it as long as 18 weeks without needing to be worried about desensitization of leydig cells?

250 ui twice a week for 18 weeks.

[numbere]

Can I use it as long as 18 weeks without needing to be worried about desensitization of leydig cells?

250 ui twice a week for 18 weeks.

There are two ways leydig cell desensitization may occur. The first is prolonged leydig cell deprivation. An example of this would be a long steroid cycle. The second is over stimulation from very large doses of LH.

You should be fine using hcg for 18 weeks, but no one can tell you definitively because everyone reacts different. IMO 18 weeks is an excessively long time to be shut down. I think you should plan a shorter cycle.

[n1x0n]

There are two ways leydig cell desensitization may occur. The first is prolonged leydig cell deprivation. An example of this would be a long steroid cycle. The second is over stimulation from very large doses of LH.

You should be fine using hcg for 18 weeks, but no one can tell you definitively because everyone reacts different. IMO 18 weeks is an excessively long time to be shut down. I think you should plan a shorter cycle.

The plan is to run test e for 14-16 weeks depending on how it feels. If I run HCG until 3 days before PCT it will be used for 17.5 weeks.

[Juced_porkchop]

Any reason to take a break mid cycle so hcg receptors can reset? Mega dose after cycle but before pct?

just use it at loe wose during cycle or what i personally rec is last 4-5 weeks of cycle leading up to BUT NOT into PCT use 500iu 2x a week HCG.

[JoliQuZ]

For how long is it okay to stay on HCG?
Been ON for 7 months now and been using HCG the whole time (1000IU EW).
I took my last pin today so pct starts in 2 weeks.

[edmondle]

It varies per individual. Use as little as possible that works. No need to waste. 250 twice weekly is a good start but lately been proven to be a hefty dose for most. You don't need a whole lot. So long as your testes are full or "Normal sized", you'll be fine.

Thanks for the reply, currently I'm on a 500mg/week blast my buddies shrank so much so I bumped HCG from 250iuX2 weekly to 250iuX3 weekly, if I'm back on my TRT should I just drop it back to 250iuX2 again? Or keep using 250iuX3 weekly till it comes back?

Thank you

[kelkel]

Keep in mind a lot of the top doc's are encouraging daily low dose use of HCG. Ex: 100 IU's daily.

[Gorgos]

If someone is planning to stay on for several yers, would HCG(500-1000iu EW) during the whole cycle be better than "blasting" in PCT?

I've not seen any studies regarding leydig cell desensitization during long time usage.

[Back In Black]

If you stay on for several years there is no point in running a pct, chance of recovery would be minimal at best.