Dead Bodybuilders...From Tnation

[jimmyinkedup]

Not arguing that there haven't been several bodybuilders to die, but we're still talking about a miniscule number of people. Further, pick any sport and you can make a similar list...for example, Pro Football:

15 players that have died from similar causes as this posted list of bodybuilders. Does not include players over 35. Does not include college players. Does not include death related to injury sustained during the game. Include any of those three things and this list expands dramatically.

Gaines Adams: Bears - cardiac arrest 26yrs old
Ricky Bell: Chargers - Dermatomyositis 29yrs old
Leon Bender: Raiders - Seizure 29yrs old
Frank Buncorn: Bengals - Blood Clot 29yrs old
J.V. Cain: Cardinals - Heart attack 28yrs old
David Croudip: Falcons - Drugs 30yrs old
Larry Gordon: Dolphins - Heart attack 28yrs old
Thomas Herrion: 49ers - Heart failure 23yrs old
Mack Lee Hill: Chiefs - Pulmonary embolism 25yrs old
Chuck Hughes: Lions - cardiac arrest 28yrs old
Eugene Lipscomb: Steelers - Drugs 31yrs old
Damien Nash: Broncos - heart failure 24yrs old
Lucien Reeberg: Lions - Heart attack 21yrs old
Don Rogers: Browns - Drugs 23yrs old
Dave Waymer: Raiders - Heart attack 34yrs old

The point: 1,600 men play pro football every year, a minuscule number compared to the number of people bodybuilding and you can easily find as many if not more deaths at a young age in football. Does that mean butt loads of steroids are good for you? Of course not...I simply don't care for ignoring other areas that are just as deadly.

The issue I see with your position is this one. There are not hundreds of thousands of "amateur" (or even 10's of thousands) football players engaging in the same activity that claimed the pro football players lives like there are bodybuilders.
There are so many people/bodybuilders engaging in the same or similar behaviors as these pro bodybuilders, the same cannot be said for football. There is an alraming trend taking place over the years when it comes to aas use. The dosages being used are getting out of control. It is one thing if bodybuilding pays your bills and you make a concious decision to take the necessary risks but to take those risks as a recreational bodybuilder is alarming and it is taking place far more often than in other sports. Recreational football players arent using PED's like the pros. Recreaational bodybuilders are. Thats what makes the stats so alarming to me personally.

[Metalject]

The issue I see with your position is this one. There are not hundreds of thousands of "amateur" (or even 10's of thousands) football players engaging in the same activity that claimed the pro football players lives like there are bodybuilders.
There are so many people/bodybuilders engaging in the same or similar behaviors as these pro bodybuilders, the same cannot be said for football. There is an alraming trend taking place over the years when it comes to aas use. The dosages being used are getting out of control. It is one thing if bodybuilding pays your bills and you make a concious decision to take the necessary risks but to take those risks as a recreational bodybuilder is alarming and it is taking place far more often than in other sports. Recreational football players arent using PED's like the pros. Recreaational bodybuilders are. Thats what makes the stats so alarming to me personally.

I understand what you're saying. Just to give this discussion a little perspective here are some statistics:

*There are 1,696 NFL players: 53 per team, 32 teams.
*There are approximately 16,000 NCAA football seniors per year.
*There have been 126 deaths in the NFL and NCAA related to drug use, injury sustained in game or practice or cardiac incident. The number increases significantly if you add in suicide, which some attribute to past head injury but I've left those out since that's impossible to prove outright.
*All 126 deaths are young men, most are under the age of 24. (More college players so there will be more young deaths in that category)

Now the only way to answer the next question, which has lead to more deaths, football or bodybuilding? That may be a very difficult question to answer. You'd need to know how many bodybuilders there have been, which again is probably near impossible to answer. However, although I may be wrong, I find it very difficult to believe that we could find 126 bodybuilders in the last 50 years that have died young.

[BG]

I understand what you're saying. Just to give this discussion a little perspective here are some statistics:

*There are 1,696 NFL players: 53 per team, 32 teams.
*There are approximately 16,000 NCAA football seniors per year.
*There have been 126 deaths in the NFL and NCAA related to drug use, injury sustained in game or practice or cardiac incident. The number increases significantly if you add in suicide, which some attribute to past head injury but I've left those out since that's impossible to prove outright.
*All 126 deaths are young men, most are under the age of 24. (More college players so there will be more young deaths in that category)

Now the only way to answer the next question, which has lead to more deaths, football or bodybuilding? That may be a very difficult question to answer. You'd need to know how many bodybuilders there have been, which again is probably near impossible to answer. However, although I may be wrong, I find it very difficult to believe that we could find 126 bodybuilders in the last 50 years that have died young.

You have to wonder how many of those football players used steroids.....probably most.

[Metalject]

You have to wonder how many of those football players used steroids.....probably most.

Agreed