Best med to lower prolactin? Caber lowers IGF-1

[amar7]

Hi,

I've read about Cabergoline, it seems to be the most spread one that ppl use, but it's disatvantege is that it lowers hgh and bromocriptine does so too,. pramipexole I've read raises HGH, but also the sides are unbearable like vomitting etc. should I go with Caber+HGH? Or Bromo, which I can get alot cheaper+HGH?

Or any alternatives that are even better, is there a consensus out there?

amar7

[hammerheart]

Bromo is a very old drug, you need to take it multiple times a day and it's harsher than prami.

I'd stick to caber.

It would be really interesting if anyone got bloods showing IGF-1 levels on/off caber.

[Mr.BB]

Nolvadex also lowers igf1, and nobody complains.

[kelkel]

Nolvadex also lowers igf1, and nobody complains.

Yep, risk to benefit ratio. Op, you'll be fine with low dose Caber. If still hesitant, do some research on B6.

[songdog]

In the world of using aas there will always be a give and take it's the name of the game.

[wellshii]

Levodopa(dopamine)
You can buy a supp called mucuna priens ,which turns into dopamine. Tyrosine is also a precursor of dopamine,but havnt seen blood results on it.
Whats your prolactin at?

[Mr.BB]

Levodopa(dopamine)
You can buy a supp called mucuna priens ,which turns into dopamine. Tyrosine is also a precursor of dopamine,but havnt seen blood results on it.
Whats your prolactin at?

L-dopa side effects are not something you want to mess with, plus the prolactin reduction is of short duration and followed by rebound.

[hammerheart]

Oral l-dopa will struggle to enter the brain, as it's readily metabolized in the periphery, and this increases with chronic administration. That means sides such ortho hypotension and the sort. In medicine, it's widely used for parkinson in combination with a peripheral aromatic amino-acid decarboxylase inhibitor, which is something you don't wont to mess with either.

WHOLE mucuna pruriens extract, on the other hand, is somewhat effective for minor elevations and relatively safe to use, but you should beware other psycho-active compounds in it.

Not anything that can replace a DA though.

[amar7]

Yea, so if I'm on gh replacement I gues this would be fine then. Are there any other things I should note on caber like sides etc. and what if I lower my prolactin too much? Is it as bad as lowering e2 too much?

[jabawocky]

Yep, risk to benefit ratio. Op, you'll be fine with low dose Caber. If still hesitant, do some research on B6.

I'm actually planning for a tren A cycle around Q3 or Q4 next year. Been going around everywhere to find caber, all sources and pharmacies gave me the "wtf is that" look when I asked for it.

Since you mentioned B6, how does it stack up against caber? Probably its slightly weaker?

I got this from another website:
Primary Prolactin Inhibitor Supplements:
Vitamin B6, Vitamin E
Secondary Prolactin Inhibitor Supplements:
Ginseng extract, Maca powder, Ashwagandha, Mucuna pruriens, Zinc, Ginkgo Biloba

"Another found that 300mg of B6 taken twice a day by 10 normal women lowered prolactin levels and slightly but significantly raised growth hormone levels." (women)
"This study on men found that ‘Pyridoxine (B6) suppresses the rise in prolactin and increases the rise in growth hormone induced by exercise’(4);" (men)

What say you guys?

[InternalFire]

I have adviced on member here (baldur2630) on prolactin management using vitex (angus castus , if I spell it right) and it seemed to help him on this issue, I too use some of it ED to help my body manage increased prolactin. its very individual how you respond to one or another "natural" remedy, so its only trial and error for the most part, or just go with caber.

[hammerheart]

I'm actually planning for a tren A cycle around Q3 or Q4 next year. Been going around everywhere to find caber, all sources and pharmacies gave me the "wtf is that" look when I asked for it.

Since you mentioned B6, how does it stack up against caber? Probably its slightly weaker?

I got this from another website:
Primary Prolactin Inhibitor Supplements:
Vitamin B6, Vitamin E
Secondary Prolactin Inhibitor Supplements:
Ginseng extract, Maca powder, Ashwagandha, Mucuna pruriens, Zinc, Ginkgo Biloba

"Another found that 300mg of B6 taken twice a day by 10 normal women lowered prolactin levels and slightly but significantly raised growth hormone levels." (women)
"This study on men found that ‘Pyridoxine (B6) suppresses the rise in prolactin and increases the rise in growth hormone induced by exercise’(4);" (men)

What say you guys?

That dose of B6 is toxic and you cannot take it regularly imo.

[Mr.BB]

I'm actually planning for a tren A cycle around Q3 or Q4 next year. Been going around everywhere to find caber, all sources and pharmacies gave me the "wtf is that" look when I asked for it.

Since you mentioned B6, how does it stack up against caber? Probably its slightly weaker?

I got this from another website:
Primary Prolactin Inhibitor Supplements:
Vitamin B6, Vitamin E
Secondary Prolactin Inhibitor Supplements:
Ginseng extract, Maca powder, Ashwagandha, Mucuna pruriens, Zinc, Ginkgo Biloba

"Another found that 300mg of B6 taken twice a day by 10 normal women lowered prolactin levels and slightly but significantly raised growth hormone levels." (women)
"This study on men found that ‘Pyridoxine (B6) suppresses the rise in prolactin and increases the rise in growth hormone induced by exercise’(4);" (men)

What say you guys?

Dont take more than 200mg if you are a average male, females threshold is even lower.

[jabawocky]

That dose of B6 is toxic and you cannot take it regularly imo.

Dont take more than 200mg if you are a average male, females threshold is even lower.

Yes. But to prevent toxicity, we take the standard dose of B6.
Added with all those other supplements (Vitamin B6, Vitamin E, Ginseng extract, Maca powder, Ashwagandha, Mucuna pruriens, Zinc, Ginkgo Biloba) at suitable/safe dosages. Well that would be more expensive than caber alone, but the problem is, caber seems to be non-existent here.

[InternalFire]

internet is a worldwide thing you should find it there lots folks dont have a problem with that

[NACH3]

Yes. But to prevent toxicity, we take the standard dose of B6.
Added with all those other supplements (Vitamin B6, Vitamin E, Ginseng extract, Maca powder, Ashwagandha, Mucuna pruriens, Zinc, Ginkgo Biloba) at suitable/safe dosages. Well that would be more expensive than caber alone, but the problem is, caber seems to be non-existent here.

Caber or Prami are your best bets they're everywhere for research purposes!

[amar7]

Low Prolactin May Signal Metabolic Syndrome: It might seem low prolactin would be a good thing - a sign of high dopamine and high testosterone. Unfortunately, that is usually not the case. In fact, low prolactin is actually strongly associated with Metabolic Syndrome according to one recent Journal of Sexual Medicine study. [2] It is also linked with arterial plaque! So, in actuality, low prolactin is not only something non-desireable, but is usually dangerous. If you do have low prolactin, then you may want to look for other signs of fatty liver, prediabetes and insulin resistance

quote: peaktestosterone

Sounds as bad as high prolactin, anyone an idea on lowering prolactin too much and the health issues it could cause? I'm thinking about caber 0.25-05 twice a week.

[numbere]

Sounds as bad as high prolactin, anyone an idea on lowering prolactin too much and the health issues it could cause? I'm thinking about caber 0.25-05 twice a week.

Prolactin is like any other hormone, ideally you want to keep it in range.

As far as I'm aware low prolactin in men only leads to PE or ED.

I'm not sure of the long term effects of low prolactin.

Protection and progesterone are not researched as much as other hormones especially in men.

I believe that you're taking that quote other of context.

It seems like they are referring to prolactin deficiency as a secondary occurrence to primary hypothyroidism or heart disease, not that hypoprolactinaemia causes those issues.

[amar7]

You're right, they're writing about low prolactin secondary to metabolic syndrome, dunno if lowering prolactin with caber can lead to the same issues, that would be the big question.
what do you mean with PE? I know ED is short for erectile dysfunction, PE I never heard of.

btw here's the link to the full article: Prolactin in Men

[Marcus G]

I've taken prami with no significant sides if you start on low does and slowly taper up to no more than 1mg ed you should be OK

[Jaydenn]

Caber:
Common dose on cycle: 0.25-0.50mg e3d

Common dose to stop lactation: 1-1.5mg e3-5d


Prami like caber will decrease progesterone and will inhibit prolactin/lactation. It's a dopamine agonist like caber so it will occupy dopamine receptors which are responsible for lactation.

You need to taper up really slowly to get to the desired dose and also taper down really slowly to avoid the mild withdrawal effect it will cause. Prami is an addictive substance I wouldn't recommend it for any cycle over 8 weeks the more you use it the harder it will be to come off it

[Mr.BB]

Caber:
Common dose on cycle: 0.25-0.50mg e3d

Common dose to stop lactation: 1-1.5mg e3-5d


Prami like caber will decrease progesterone and will inhibit prolactin/lactation. It's a dopamine agonist like caber so it will occupy dopamine receptors which are responsible for lactation.

You need to taper up really slowly to get to the desired dose and also taper down really slowly to avoid the mild withdrawal effect it will cause. Prami is an addictive substance I wouldn't recommend it for any cycle over 8 weeks the more you use it the harder it will be to come off it

Humm, how does caber or prami lowers progesterone??

[Ashop]

Hi,

I've read about Cabergoline, it seems to be the most spread one that ppl use, but it's disatvantege is that it lowers hgh and bromocriptine does so too,. pramipexole I've read raises HGH, but also the sides are unbearable like vomitting etc. should I go with Caber+HGH? Or Bromo, which I can get alot cheaper+HGH?

Or any alternatives that are even better, is there a consensus out there?

amar7

There is BROMO and PRAMI if you don't want to use CABASER. Just be sure to start with very small dosages to see how
you tolerate them.