Revised tren cycle critique

[sdog1313]

Age:30
6foot 210lbs @18%
1 cycle of test tren mast
I will drop to below 15% body fat before starting and I am aiming for 8% at end of cycle.

Week 1-12 test prop 50mg eod (175mg/week)
Week 1-12 tren ace 125mg eod (437.5/week)
Week 1-12 aromasin 6.25mg Ed
Week 1-12 caber 0.25 e3.5d

Pct start 5 days after last pin

Nolva 40:40:20:20:20
Clomid75:50:50:50:50
Caber 0.25 e3.5d throughout pct

After reading Atomini tren thread he advises to drop the Clomid from pct ? Any1 think this also or keep pct the same ?

Any other critiques would be appreciated.

[numbere]

That's a lot of tren I don't think you benefit from taking more than 100mg/EOD.

You might not require an AI on that amount of test.

Blood work is the only way to know for sure.

If your aromasin is table pharma grade then it might be easier to take 12.5mg/EOD.

PCT for prop is usually 3-4 days after last pin.

Imo you should take nolva for six weeks in total.

If you need caber it most likely be while on cycle.

If you control your e2 with an AI and blood work then caber shouldn't be needed.

However, 12 weeks is a long tren cycle and the negative feedback loop may result in prolactin production later in the cycle.

You need both clomid and nolva for your best chance at resetting your HTPA.

You would benefit from using 250IU of hcg twice a week from day one until 2-3 days before starting PCT.

[01dragonslayer]

I agree with comments above. I would bump the test to a min. of 50/ed and drop the tren to no more than 50/ed.

Your diet and cardio will be be your most essential element to get to 8%.

[sdog1313]

i have read countless threads where people say caber is not needed if estrogen is in check but in atomini tren thread he states you must take Caber.

My last cycle I did 350mg/week test and 12.5mg ed aromasin and blood work confirmed correct dose so with 175mg/week test I thought to half the ai also.
Doesn't aromasin need to taken ED?

I will extend pct to 6 weeks

Anyone experienced running tren like this to advise on caber?

[Livinlean]

Agree with everything numbere said.

I have never used caber or prami but always have one on hand during a cycle.

[sdog1313]

Agree with everything numbere said.

I have never used caber or prami but always have one on hand during a cycle.

Why 'on hand' ?? Why not tackle a potential problem by taking 0.5mg caber a week from the start ?

[clarky.]

Why 'on hand' ?? Why not tackle a potential problem by taking 0.5mg caber a week from the start ?

Because they are very serious drugs that's why. If you keep E2 under control then prolactin should be ok, so why take a drug that is not needed at all. Read learn and be smart.

Blood work will let you know.

[sdog1313]

Seems to be luck of the draw to who answers threads these days ?

People come here asking about tren , get pointed to the atomini all you need to know about tren. Then design a cycle and get different opinions from every member ?

So new cycle looks this -

Week 1-12 125mg tren ace eod
Week 1-12 50mg test prop eod
Aromasin 6.25mg Ed

Wait until mid cycle bloodwork to decide whether or not to use caber.
(What is prolactin is rising prior to bloodwork????)

Pct same as above 4 days after last pin

[numbere]

Seems to be luck of the draw to who answers threads these days ?

People come here asking about tren , get pointed to the atomini all you need to know about tren. Then design a cycle and get different opinions from every member ?

You seem to have a bit of an attitude and I'm not sure why.

Everyone responding is being polite and as helpful as possible.

I can understand your frustration that a sticky thread said one thing and now you're hearing otherwise.

However, Atomini's tren thread is nearly a decade old so I don't think it should surprise you that some viewpoints on tren have changed.

I'm not discounting Atomini's thread, it's a great peice for base information.

Even Austinite's first cycle thread, which we advise any newbie to read, is almost 5 years old and our views on length of high usage have changed.

I still believe your cycle can be improved and stand by my all my critiques in the second post.

Imo you should wait until mid cycle lab results until starting caber.

If you begin experiencing elevated prolactin sides before having labs then begin using caber thena5 that time.

[01dragonslayer]

Maybe I'm a little 'old school' but I don't understand why the tren trumps the test dose?

[sdog1313]

Sorry if that came across as an attitude as I am grateful for the advice but it is frustrating hearing different things on the same site.

I like the idea of low test and a higher tren dose to achieve dry lean gains.

Week 1-12Test prop : 175mg/week 50mg eod
Week 1-12tren ace : 350/week 100mg eod
Week 1-12 6.25 Ed

Pct 4 days after last pin
Clomid 75/50/50/50/50/50
Nolva. 40/40/20/20/20/20

Caber on hand
Will take bloods in week 5

[numbere]

Maybe I'm a little 'old school' but I don't understand why the tren trumps the test dose?

I certainly can't speak for the OP but personally I prefer a TRT esque dose when using tren.

I don't seem to get any benefits from running an equal or larger amount of test with tren, only test related side effects.

It's just tren for some reason.

For example when using nandrolone or mast I prefer a high amount of test.

It should be noted that this is purely individualistic.

Some people will need an equal amount or higher amount of test while using tren in order to feel normal.

This is one of the reasons why I think a fist tren cycle should be prop and ace, especially if one plans on using low test, because if problems arise then doses can be adjusted more easily than long esters.

[01dragonslayer]

I certainly can't speak for the OP but personally I prefer a TRT esque dose when using tren.

I don't seem to get any benefits from running an equal or larger amount of test with tren, only test related side effects.

It's just tren for some reason.

For example when using nandrolone or mast I prefer a high amount of test.

It should be noted that this is purely individualistic.

Some people will need an equal amount or higher amount of test while using tren in order to feel normal.

This is one of the reasons why I think a fist tren cycle should be prop and ace, especially if one plans on using low test, because if problems arise then doses can be adjusted more easily than long esters.

[numbere]

Sorry if that came across as an attitude as I am grateful for the advice but it is frustrating hearing different things on the same site.

I like the idea of low test and a higher tren dose to achieve dry lean gains.

Week 1-12Test prop : 175mg/week 50mg eod
Week 1-12tren ace : 350/week 100mg eod
Week 1-12 6.25 Ed

Pct 4 days after last pin
Clomid 75/50/50/50/50/50
Nolva. 40/40/20/20/20/20

Caber on hand
Will take bloods in week 5

That looks solid buddy.

I do think that for PCT you should do 4 weeks of clomid and 6 of nolva.

If you want the nerdy explanation of why I'll give it but in short it has to deal with nolva lh pulse frequency and clomid induced lhrh insensitivity.

[jimmy611]

torem instead of clomid? just a thought

[numbere]

torem instead of clomid? just a thought

Torem can be substituted for clomid.

However, you should only make this substitution if the side effects from clomid become absolutely unbearable.

This is because clomid and nolva are better at stimulating lh/fsh production when compared to torem.

Thus your best chance at resetting your HTPA after a cycle is to use both clomid and nolva.

[Deal Me In]

As has been mentioned, this changes from person to person. Personally, I keep test higher. I've tried it both ways and when I have higher tren dosages all I get are worse tren sides. But that's just my experience.

Also, I have a bottle of caber I bought 5 years ago that I've never opened. I have it, but based on blood work I've never needed it. You only know that through blood work but there is no reason to take pills just because you read about it on the internet. Get the blood work done and find out what YOUR body needs. You will be happier in the long run.