thanks man, i probably stole avatar from you ! LOl ! i have yet to find a better one to use, any advise is appreciated , i still have alot to learn, should have taken off cycle more seriously , i have a really cool old dr, he will always help me , but what he wont do is moniter a cycle he will only deal with the aftermath , there is a line he will not cross , we will get this right yet, im not giving up ,thanks talk soon