Is More Better??

[jwh7699]

I have been on TRT for about 4 years. Never gone above 200mg of Test in a week.

My usual dose is 70mg twice a week.

Bringing my Total T in one day before injection to 1112 (348 - 1197)
Free T 25.5 (6.8 - 21.5)

What would happen if I doubled my dose too 140mg of Test C 2 x a week?

Has anyone seen an increase in overall mood, energy, libido going to a higher dose?

And the one question everyone wants to know, will I go from Average too the Incredible Hulk by doubling my Test dosing?

Thanks!!

[Bio-Active]

what happens when you start doing that is a cycle. Ya you will make gains if your training and nutrition is on par

[KurtMiles]

It's gonna take a bit more than doubling your dose to be the Incredible Hulk lol.

[kelkel]

Well, more test can equal more gains if nutrition and training are on point. That said, if you're going to up your test simply follow the Successful First Cycle thread in the AAS Q & A and you'll be fine.

[jwh7699]

I was curious because someone on a different website said their Endo said it was ok to take 400mg of Test, split into two doses, as a TRT dose.

[Youthful55guy]

I was curious because someone on a different website said their Endo said it was ok to take 400mg of Test, split into two doses, as a TRT dose.

if that's a weekly dose, it is absurdly huge for TRT and the endo needs his license revoked. Then again, many endos still live in the stone age of TRT and still prescribe every 2-4 week dosing. In my opinion, it's still a big dose for 2 week dosing (though others here will no doubt challenge that). That level of dosing is simply not sustainable. You will develop polycythemia within a few months and you will not be able to control it, even with the maximum allowable blood donations. You will need a script for allowing additional donations and that is going to become difficult to sustain over the long run.

Now if your goal is bodybuilding, it's an entirely different story and you need to get advice on proper cycling and PCT in the other forums.

[jwh7699]

So that is one reason people have to Cycle High Doses, it causes High Hematocrit Levels?

My Hematocrit runs High on 70mg 2 x a week. I donate blood every 2 months with a Doctors Prescription.

When I first started about 4 years ago, my Doctor had me on Once a month and then Then Once Every 2 weeks so I totally believe there are some Un-Informed Doctors out there.

[Youthful55guy]

So that is one reason people have to Cycle High Doses, it causes High Hematocrit Levels?

Yes, among other side-effects including potential liver toxicity (varies among they type of ASS that is used, but is a minimal side-effect with just T). other side-effects are altered blood lipids and cholesterol, and not in a good way.

My Hematocrit runs High on 70mg 2 x a week. I donate blood every 2 months with a Doctors Prescription.

[COLOR="#0000FF"]Mine runs high even at 40 mg Every 3 days (just under 100 mg per week), but is controllable with regular blood donations. I suspect that at 70 mg 2X per week, you will be pushing the envelope of controlling it without a script for extra donations. They used to be a script for expensive blood dumping procedures, but the Red Cross changed the rules about a year ago to allow extra donations with a script so you no longer have to pay the blood dumping lab charge.


When I first started about 4 years ago, my Doctor had me on Once a month and then Then Once Every 2 weeks so I totally believe there are some Un-Informed Doctors out there.

Yes, that doc is uninformed and a danger to society. He/she should not be administering TRT. Even once weekly protocols are (in my opinion) outdated. I was fortunate enough to go to one of the top TRT docs in the world for several years, though it cost me an arm and a leg. He got me on my current 40 mg E3D protocol. I've since moved on, and now have my GP administer same protocol but within my insurance program. I have slightly modified it (without her knowledge) to address the undying cause of high SHBG.

[jwh7699]

So the Red Cross does not charge if you have a script? My local place charges $31 each time, even with a script.

My Hematocrit is usually a 51 before donating.

[kelkel]

I was curious because someone on a different website said their Endo said it was ok to take 400mg of Test, split into two doses, as a TRT dose.

if that's a weekly dose, it is absurdly huge for TRT and the endo needs his license revoked. Then again, many endos still live in the stone age of TRT and still prescribe every 2-4 week dosing. In my opinion, it's still a big dose for 2 week dosing (though others here will no doubt challenge that). That level of dosing is simply not sustainable. You will develop polycythemia within a few months and you will not be able to control it, even with the maximum allowable blood donations. You will need a script for allowing additional donations and that is going to become difficult to sustain over the long run.

Now if your goal is bodybuilding, it's an entirely different story and you need to get advice on proper cycling and PCT in the other forums.

It absolutely amazes me how some docs are in the stone age with TRT and will prescribe testosterone without the slightest understanding of it. Makes you wonder how they prescribe other medications and the risk to their patients.....TRT is really not that complicated.

[Youthful55guy]

So the Red Cross does not charge if you have a script? My local place charges $31 each time, even with a script.

My Hematocrit is usually a 51 before donating.

That's my understanding. I donate through a different organization and stick to the every 8 week maximum, so I've not had to deal with it. My understanding is that now you can donate more frequently with a script and they don't have to throw it out. I'd be interested in hearing from guys who have real experience doing more frequent donations with a script.

[Quester]

Well, more test can equal more gains if nutrition and training are on point. That said, if you're going to up your test simply follow the Successful First Cycle thread in the AAS Q & A and you'll be fine.

Hey Kel,
I have a question about this:
At the end of the successful first cycle, we run PCT. Would PCT appropriate in this case, the resumption of TRT ?

[TRA]

It absolutely amazes me how some docs are in the stone age with TRT and will prescribe testosterone without the slightest understanding of it. Makes you wonder how they prescribe other medications and the risk to their patients.....TRT is really not that complicated.

You just have to remember that docs don't get more than probably a day of training on hormones in med school. Pretty sure it's taught in the biochem section with the HPTA axis, etc., and simply part of about a 15 page packet for one lecture day.
Also, the black mark steroids have for men (due to all the social/political propaganda, not to mention the constant news about them with athletes) dissuade most docs from prescribing much because most medical boards don't understand it either. If most docs prescribe weekly injections, it is a "standard of care." If literature shows 2-3 times per week is better, but it is not done by the majority of practicing physicians, then anyone who prescribes that way is deviating from the "standard of care" and if there is any kind of adverse outcome or complaint is challenged to come out on top.
There are a few good Urologists out there (in the US), I think many fewer endos who get TRT. I was told by an endo friend that pellets should be taken off the market because of the duration of their therapeutic release. I challenged that once it is determined there are relatively no sides to testosterone it makes much more sense to avoid the undulating levels and multiple injections...she didn't budge. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Sometimes you have to look for a long time to find someone, and that someone may not be covered by insurance.

[kelkel]

Hey Kel,
I have a question about this:
At the end of the successful first cycle, we run PCT. Would PCT appropriate in this case, the resumption of TRT ?

We never need pct when on TRT and running a cycle. Simply go back to your prior TRT protocol.

[kelkel]

You just have to remember that docs don't get more than probably a day of training on hormones in med school. Pretty sure it's taught in the biochem section with the HPTA axis, etc., and simply part of about a 15 page packet for one lecture day.
Also, the black mark steroids have for men (due to all the social/political propaganda, not to mention the constant news about them with athletes) dissuade most docs from prescribing much because most medical boards don't understand it either. If most docs prescribe weekly injections, it is a "standard of care." If literature shows 2-3 times per week is better, but it is not done by the majority of practicing physicians, then anyone who prescribes that way is deviating from the "standard of care" and if there is any kind of adverse outcome or complaint is challenged to come out on top.
There are a few good Urologists out there (in the US), I think many fewer endos who get TRT. I was told by an endo friend that pellets should be taken off the market because of the duration of their therapeutic release. I challenged that once it is determined there are relatively no sides to testosterone it makes much more sense to avoid the undulating levels and multiple injections...she didn't budge. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Sometimes you have to look for a long time to find someone, and that someone may not be covered by insurance.

Yep, I'm familiar with their training, or lack thereof. Great insightful post TR.

[Closhmo]

You just have to remember that docs don't get more than probably a day of training on hormones in med school. Pretty sure it's taught in the biochem section with the HPTA axis, etc., and simply part of about a 15 page packet for one lecture day.
Also, the black mark steroids have for men (due to all the social/political propaganda, not to mention the constant news about them with athletes) dissuade most docs from prescribing much because most medical boards don't understand it either. If most docs prescribe weekly injections, it is a "standard of care." If literature shows 2-3 times per week is better, but it is not done by the majority of practicing physicians, then anyone who prescribes that way is deviating from the "standard of care" and if there is any kind of adverse outcome or complaint is challenged to come out on top.
There are a few good Urologists out there (in the US), I think many fewer endos who get TRT. I was told by an endo friend that pellets should be taken off the market because of the duration of their therapeutic release. I challenged that once it is determined there are relatively no sides to testosterone it makes much more sense to avoid the undulating levels and multiple injections...she didn't budge. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Sometimes you have to look for a long time to find someone, and that someone may not be covered by insurance.

i just finished my 1st year of med school and this is spot on. we had one lecture on male hormones at the end of physio II and literally a paragraph on TRT haha.

[Youthful55guy]

i just finished my 1st year of med school and this is spot on. we had one lecture on male hormones at the end of physio II and literally a paragraph on TRT haha.

Scary. I've had more endocrinology training on the subject than the docs prescribing it, and after 5 1/2 years, probably more clinical experience too.