4 weeks on trt and sex drive still tanked

[sawgrass]

I am on my 4th week of TRT. Test E 200mg, 1.5cc twice a week. Arimidex 1mg eod.

One area I was hoping would improve is the sex drive. Mine is still in the tank and I was hoping to see some gains in this area. Is 4 weeks still too soon to see any real world results in labido? I've even tried half tab cialis at bedtime to try and kickstart the drive for morning and didnt notice much if anything. Cialis gives me bad headaches unfortunately, so I try to take at night before bed to avoid that.

Is there anything else that can be taken with test for sex drive / ed?

Ive read tren a gives some insane results, (and side effects), and that it kills your sex drive. However in talking to a few trainers who are on tren a, they say the opposite, it sends your sex drive through the roof. Anything not so harsh that targets ed, labido and performance?

[anoxicblaze]

I am four days away from my four weeks. I started noticing morning erections and erotic dreams, increased sex drive within the last few days. I am very pleased about this.

It is possible that you are taking too much Arimidex and your E level is waaay too low. People need to see your blood work results before they give advice and an opinion really. You are taking as much Arimidex as a bodybuilder on his 5th cycle. That seems wrong. But if your results say you need it, you need it. Did they?

How old are you? What was your pre trt testosterone level? What is it now? What were your estrogen levels? What are they now?

[sawgrass]

Thanks anoxicblaze, those are some good questions.
I started taking armidex a week ago as I had very tender and slight pain in nipples. I was told that was a sign to start taking arimidex. Not by my dr though. I go for first labs this week so I guess that should answer alot of questions.

Im 54 and my pre trt was just over 230 and my total t was just under 5%.

I dont know what estrogen level was as that wasnt initially checked. Ill have to ask them to make sure to check estrogen levels on labs this week. Im realizing I have to go in and share alot of what I research here with my dr to get anywhere with him, and even then hes very conservative in offering treatment. He originally put me on gel til I argued for injections.

[anoxicblaze]

I was advised against Arimidex until I got my estrogen levels checked. Even if I need it most seem to agree that 0.25 mg every other day is adequate. So you have started on four times the amount most people take. I take none at the moment. The chest tingling thing comes in tandem with higher sex drive often, so don't let that panic you.


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[kelkel]

I am on my 4th week of TRT. Test E 200mg, 1.5cc twice a week. Arimidex 1mg eod.

One area I was hoping would improve is the sex drive. Mine is still in the tank and I was hoping to see some gains in this area. Is 4 weeks still too soon to see any real world results in labido? I've even tried half tab cialis at bedtime to try and kickstart the drive for morning and didnt notice much if anything. Cialis gives me bad headaches unfortunately, so I try to take at night before bed to avoid that.

Is there anything else that can be taken with test for sex drive / ed?

Ive read tren a gives some insane results, (and side effects), and that it kills your sex drive. However in talking to a few trainers who are on tren a, they say the opposite, it sends your sex drive through the roof. Anything not so harsh that targets ed, labido and performance?

Wait, 1.5cc's of 200 mg per ml test twice per week = 600 mg of test. Is that what you're running or is it a type. Straighten us out please.
1mg of adex eod may be fine if you're running a gram of test per week.

Assuming you mistyped your test amount and it's a normal TRT amount you're actually taking then you've succeded in crashing your E2 with adex which will almost always result in zero libido. We need estrogen for proper hormonal balance.

TRT takes time to take effect. Not weeks but months to realize results. Patience is needed as well as a consistent protocol. What you've succeded in doing with the adex is screw up your blood work for your upcoming appointment. It's normal to have nip sensitivity when hormones are in flux and it does not immediately indicate gyno.

Simply put you can't dial in your protocol if you change it. Changes need to be made via BW, not how you feel. You also need to establish a level of trust with your doctor.

When it comes to your libido just give your hormones time to find homeostasis. Don't listen to your friends recommending Tren A as that's absolutely ridiculous at this point. Regarding cialis the headaches normally pass. Start at a low dose such as 5 mgs.

[anoxicblaze]

If I was you I would completely come off the arimidex immediately and get tested in three weeks, once your e levels have stabilised. Then find out if you need it or not based on the results. Delay your upcoming test. The results will be pointless and misleading now . Agreed experts? Is three weeks enough?


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[kelkel]

I Is three weeks enough? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probably. Either wait or tell your doc what you did with the adex. Depends on your relationship with him.

[sawgrass]

I am pinning 1.5cc of 200 mg test e twice a week. That is correct. This is what was advised to me, albeit not advise from my dr.
Dr wanted me to pin .5cc of 100mg test cyp twice a week.

Which cycle would be better to continue?

I am dropping adex immediately until bw comes in showing I need it.

Thanks for helping me get this dialed in. I am seeing gains in the gym but do feel lethargic at times as well.

[anoxicblaze]

So 600mg a week??? :-o That isn't TRT! That's a first cycle. Your doc was right. I do 75mg twice a week.


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[Back In Black]

You are running a cycle not TRT. Why would you ignore your Dr?

I'd suggest you do as your Dr says, he will know you haven't been following his protocol when he sees your labs off the charts!

[Mr.BB]

You can pin 10 grams of test per week, if your problem is not hormone related it will not do a thing...

[ryobi1]

I am pinning 1.5cc of 200 mg test e twice a week. That is correct. This is what was advised to me, albeit not advise from my dr.
Dr wanted me to pin .5cc of 100mg test cyp twice a week.

why would you not follow your doctors protocol?
trt,,,less is more to start, as stated, bloods tell the story if your doc knows
what to watch for or test...
would like to see your docs reaction when you tell him you're injecting 1.5 cc's.
and I would deffinately tell him, so he can assess the damage and deal with it

[sawgrass]

Dr wanted me on gel. I had to fight for something more potent. I've seen this doc for 3 years and all I got was "sorry about your shitty crappy life" diagnosis, nothing can be done to change things.
Until I brought up testing my testosterone.

While trying to get my Dr to see my side, I was able to get test e 200mg. So i started with that advice from a trainer and now for caught in middle from trainer advise and Dr advise.

I messed up taking adex to soon, but I've been in such bad shape for nearly 5 years I'm kinda desperate for some relief and energy.

So as of now did the adex crush my test levels? Should I continue with trt or cycle? Would postponing labs a week help?

[Back In Black]

Your Adex dose is probably at least double what you would need.

Drop your test to where your Dr wanted straight away. I wouldn't have labs drawn with your Dr for at least 3 weeks else he will know what your doing and possibly withdraw the prescription.

Did your trainer sell you your test?

[anoxicblaze]

This is a worrying read. Be careful!


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[sawgrass]

Yes. From trainer.

So I understand that I mixed up trt with a cycle. And I won't know if I actually messed up taking adex until I have labs done. Probably leaning towards started adex to soon.

So if I can postpone labs a week or two and scale back dosing to Dr recommendations do you think my labs will be more normal and not off the charts?

[Youthful55guy]

I am pinning 1.5cc of 200 mg test e twice a week. That is correct. This is what was advised to me, albeit not advise from my dr.
Dr wanted me to pin .5cc of 100mg test cyp twice a week.

Which cycle would be better to continue?

I am dropping adex immediately until bw comes in showing I need it.

Thanks for helping me get this dialed in. I am seeing gains in the gym but do feel lethargic at times as well.

To be blunt, you are getting bad advice.

The dose your doctor prescribed is (in my humble opinion) a good starting dose. In retrospect, my advice would have been to start there and wait 6 weeks and see what the labs say for Total T, Free T, SHBG, and E2. Then, and only then, adjust the dose based on the lab results and consider the use of an E2 inhibitor if the labs indicate you are high in E2. Even then, go about it slowly. Some guys (myself included) are very sensitive to E2 inhibitors and just a small amount drives my E2 down below what the labs can accurately measure and that brings on a huge case of ED with zero libido even with my T in the upper 75th percentile.

Going forward, I would cut back the dose to what your doctor prescribed (50 mg twice weekly) and completely eliminate the anastrozole (Arimidex). Then in 6 weeks after your hormones have reached a new equilibrium redo the labs and ask for advice here. Kel is a good source.

Also, when you go off the reservation like this with self-prescribed TRT, it's going to completely mess up the labs your doctor orders. What do you think his/her reaction will be when your labs show levels of 2,000 ng/dL Total T with a dose of 100 mg/wk? If the doc is at all experienced with TRT, he will probably call you on it and perhaps cut you off from the legally prescribed T because it's a huge liability for him. on the other hand, an inexperienced doc that doesn't see through the labs will cut your prescribed dose in half. What then happens if your outsource T dries up? Think about it.

[sawgrass]

Thank you all very much for your feedback and patience. Lesson learned and hopefully not a very hard lesson.

[Back In Black]

Another lesson for you - NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER take cycle advise from your dealer, trainer or not.

[Youthful55guy]

Another lesson for you - NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER take cycle advise from your dealer, trainer or not.

Good advice and I would add to that too that you need to be careful about ANY advice you get on-line (yes, even from me). I would be particularly carful about the advice on TRT you get in this forum, not because it is bad advice, but rather that it is conflicted with pretty much 3 objectives: 1) A number of us are here to discuss TRT within the boundaries of treating low testosterone that is not associated with current AAS; 2) Those who are here to augment AAS by cycling through a TRT phase instead of returning to natural production with PCT (I believe the term that is used is "Blast and Cruise"), and 3) Those that use TRT as a way to be legally prescribed T to augment AAS use. There may be variants on these basic categories, but I think that pretty much covers it.

I an not passing judgement on any of the non-medically necessary uses of TRT, only that the advice will be different, and that differences is often lost in quick replies and threaded discussions that can at times be all over the map (such is communication in an unstructured forum).

Good luck. I hope you find your path. Low T is a real medical condition and we are entitled to receive treatment.

[Quester]

Good advice and I would add to that too that you need to be careful about ANY advice you get on-line (yes, even from me). I would be particularly carful about the advice on TRT you get in this forum, not because it is bad advice, but rather that it is conflicted with pretty much 3 objectives: 1) A number of us are here to discuss TRT within the boundaries of treating low testosterone that is not associated with current AAS; 2) Those who are here to augment AAS by cycling through a TRT phase instead of returning to natural production with PCT (I believe the term that is used is "Blast and Cruise"), and 3) Those that use TRT as a way to be legally prescribed T to augment AAS use. There may be variants on these basic categories, but I think that pretty much covers it.

I an not passing judgement on any of the non-medically necessary uses of TRT, only that the advice will be different, and that differences is often lost in quick replies and threaded discussions that can at times be all over the map (such is communication in an unstructured forum).

Good luck. I hope you find your path. Low T is a real medical condition and we are entitled to receive treatment.

Sawgrass,
While it is always a good idea to do research to validate the advice your receiving (from everyone imho) the advice given in this thread pertains to TRT, not any other category. The vast majority of the advice in the TRT section is for TRT. The experienced members always give advice contextual to the threads. The regulars here are of the most integrous information providers to which I've ever been exposed.