What age did you start trt? And what is your protocol for hcg to stay fertile?

[daveanthony]

I didn't mean that, HCG is an LH mimic but it acts a bit differently... LH is released in a pulsatile fashion from the pituitary, while HCG will have sustained levels due to much longer survival time in blood. This might bring E2 levels up due to continuous stimulation, but it isn't usually an issue with the low maintenance dosages used in a TRT protocol.



If you need it then you need it, no way around at that point, the more you go with low T the worse, especially under 25.

I'm almost 28 now and I'm still struggling with sexual and overall functioning.

And are you using hcg? I found on a test cycle my libido was shit without hcg


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[hammerheart]

And are you using hcg? I found on a test cycle my libido was shit without hcg


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No HCG but I do use some exogenous progesterone in order to get mood and libido up. I feel virtually asexuated without progesterone.

[Youthful55guy]

No HCG but I do use some exogenous progesterone in order to get mood and libido up. I feel virtually asexuated without progesterone.

FYI: to all reading this thread. As Bizzaro and I have discussed in other threads, you must be EXTREMELY careful when using exogenous progesterone (P4)in a male TRT protocol. And this goes for synthetic anabolic steroids with progestin-like activity that are often stacked by bodybuilders. We all know and understand that high E2 can cause gynecomastia, but it is much more potent in this regard when progesterone levels are elevated. I believe this is the root of the paranoia I see in so many threads in this and other forums of high E2. Yes, high E2 is not good, but it gets a much worse reputation because of bodybuilder abuse of anabolic steroids without understand what they are doing. In the quest for big muscles, they often layer (stack) several anabolic hormones on top of each other without knowing how they interact.

Some anabolic steroids also have progesterone like activity. If you stack these with high levels of testosterone and don't control the conversion of T to E2, you are ripe for beginning development of gynecomastia. If your prolactin levels get out of control, you are in for a SEVERE case of gynecomastia (e.g., lactation). This is exactly what happens during the 3rd trimester of pregnancy. The placenta is producing very high levels of both E2 and P4 and at the same time producing a hormone called Placental Lactogen, which has both prolactin and growth hormone activity.