**Marcus's HIT Dungeon**

[NACH3]

Off to hit shoulders. Looking into a lateral approach for total knee, which may have a much quicker rehab time and spares the quad tendon from cut. No different outcomes for normal knees (if not valgus) other than early up front with less pain and more mobility. This seems of paramount importance because you can rehab and decrease atrophy and potential connective tissue injury due to prolonged inactivity and immobility but I don't see it detailed in the studies. Will consult and see. Still in a quandary on the weight issue. Makes sense to drop a bunch of weight first to see if I can avoid surgery so thinking I might shift from body recomp I am currently doing to a cutting routine last six weeks of go juice. Any thoughts on this? Test/NPP/TBol (ends in 2 days), will start some GH stimulating peptides this week. Was thinking I could spare muscle loss with what's on board and see if I can drop maybe 15lbs in next 6 wks with aggressive keto...

Are u gonna run test npp t-bol or it ends in days meaning you’ve already ran it? If not I like it but maybe var instead of t-bol? I like T/NPP/Winny but your joints may not like the Winny but it never really affected mine tbh running nandrolone with it... have enough $ for real pharma GH?? That would be the best I’d imagine I’ve ne er ran any peps tbh

[kelkel]

Compare your BUN for hydration status maybe. Personally I always track Hct instead of Hb as you can run with higher Hb and normal crit without being at risk from what my Heme/Onc recommended.

I will next month when BW comes around. In this instance it was just Hemo from the Red Cross and I was to lazy to do the X 3 math! But very true, I drink coffee all morning and very little water.

[kelkel]

Off to hit shoulders. Looking into a lateral approach for total knee, which may have a much quicker rehab time and spares the quad tendon from cut. No different outcomes for normal knees (if not valgus) other than early up front with less pain and more mobility. This seems of paramount importance because you can rehab and decrease atrophy and potential connective tissue injury due to prolonged inactivity and immobility but I don't see it detailed in the studies. Will consult and see. Still in a quandary on the weight issue. Makes sense to drop a bunch of weight first to see if I can avoid surgery so thinking I might shift from body recomp I am currently doing to a cutting routine last six weeks of go juice. Any thoughts on this? Test/NPP/TBol (ends in 2 days), will start some GH stimulating peptides this week. Was thinking I could spare muscle loss with what's on board and see if I can drop maybe 15lbs in next 6 wks with aggressive keto...

Dieting is not my forte so I'll let others respond to that. When it comes to your knee do you have some indication it may be valgus?

[TRA]

Are u gonna run test npp t-bol or it ends in days meaning you’ve already ran it? If not I like it but maybe var instead of t-bol? I like T/NPP/Winny but your joints may not like the Winny but it never really affected mine tbh running nandrolone with it... have enough $ for real pharma GH?? That would be the best I’d imagine I’ve ne er ran any peps tbh

6 wk into test/NPP/tbol, so tbol ended tomorrow. Have the remainder of time for T/NPP. Can't afford pharma GH. Had decent results previously with peps but agree not ideal. Pulling labs next week. Have had great results in past with HDL rebounding to normal nicely in short time and blood has remained stable without need for phlebotomy for a lonnng time, though that is a concern in a different regard.

[TRA]

Dieting is not my forte so I'll let others respond to that. When it comes to your knee do you have some indication it may be valgus?

I don't like dieting either, and I know people hate it when you mention genetics but I maintain 6' 230-235 (higher bf due to low cardio of late admittedly) at less than 3000kcal a day, so I've had to do some sort of maintenance plan ever since I stopped the distance running.
No valgus whatsoever, and since the studies show it is beneficial if present not sure about normal alignment.

[TRA]

Man, I am feel like I'm becoming a post whore. Sorry. Apparently not sorry enough to not post, but soon haha. I really don't require that much attention, it's just that you guys are so lovable.

Shoulders
Seated DB lateral raises
2 w/u
1 feeler x 12
1 w set w/ r/p to hit 14

Standing front raises w/plate (thanks kel, ass kicker this one, recruits nicely!)
1 w/u
1 feeler x 12
1 w set w/ r/p x 2 to hit 13
Burn, baby burn

Reverse DB flies, face down on high bench
1 w/u
1 feeler x 12
1 w set w/ r/p x 1 to 13

Standing DB press
1 feeler x 12
1 w set w r/p to hit 11

Seated Arnold press (light)
1 feeler x 12
1 w set w/ r/p to hit 12
Ffs, was in serious pain at this point

BB shrug in smith
1 w/u
1 feeler x 12
1 w set w/ r/p to hit 14

One armed BB shrug (standing sideways in smith), holding 45# pl free hand for ballast
1 feeler x 12
1 w set x 12
1 w set w/ r/p to hit 13

Killer set.

[marcus300]

Man, I am feel like I'm becoming a post whore. Sorry. Apparently not sorry enough to not post, but soon haha. I really don't require that much attention, it's just that you guys are so lovable.

Shoulders
Seated DB lateral raises
2 w/u
1 feeler x 12
1 w set w/ r/p to hit 14

Standing front raises w/plate (thanks kel, ass kicker this one, recruits nicely!)
1 w/u
1 feeler x 12
1 w set w/ r/p x 2 to hit 13
Burn, baby burn

Reverse DB flies, face down on high bench
1 w/u
1 feeler x 12
1 w set w/ r/p x 1 to 13

Standing DB press
1 feeler x 12
1 w set w r/p to hit 11

Seated Arnold press (light)
1 feeler x 12
1 w set w/ r/p to hit 12
Ffs, was in serious pain at this point

BB shrug in smith
1 w/u
1 feeler x 12
1 w set w/ r/p to hit 14

One armed BB shrug (standing sideways in smith), holding 45# pl free hand for ballast
1 feeler x 12
1 w set x 12
1 w set w/ r/p to hit 13

Killer set.

Your killing it Trail

[almostgone]

Well this is odd. Just went and donated blood. My Hemo came in at 14.9 which is great. On June 22nd I donated and it was 15.1. Again just fine. Thing is I ran a low dose cycle of Test @ 400, Deca @ 250 with low dose var in the beginning to help heal my arm. Stopped the cycle about two weeks ago in prep for BW next month.

Strikes me as odd that after that run (albeit low dose) that my hemo came in slightly lower. Surprising to me, that's all.

That is weird, but better than my last labs. I donated and my Hct went up. They had to bungle the procedure at the Drs. office. I did online labs, then a whole blood donation, and then the Dr. labs a week later and Hct was up almost 3%. Fvckers.

[almostgone]

Mixing up a shake and then off to the shop.

[songdog]

Mixing up a shake and then off to the shop.

Whip up 2!

[TRA]

That is weird, but better than my last labs. I donated and my Hct went up. They had to bungle the procedure at the Drs. office. I did online labs, then a whole blood donation, and then the Dr. labs a week later and Hct was up almost 3%. Fvckers.

I think hydration has a lot to do with it sometimes. If you are really hydrated when you donate and dehydrated on recheck can explain it, especially if you're producing RBCs like a crazy man. The labs should be pretty accurate unless it's a small finger stick machine or the in-0ffice machine. I always look at BUN when possible for that reason.

[almostgone]

I think hydration has a lot to do with it sometimes. If you are really hydrated when you donate and dehydrated on recheck can explain it, especially if you're producing RBCs like a crazy man. The labs should be pretty accurate unless it's a small finger stick machine or the in-0ffice machine. I always look at BUN when possible for that reason.

BUN and Ck were tolerable. I do overproduce, but not at that rate. Not sure if overproduction is a byproduct of Leiden Factor V. They drew the normal amount of vacutainers at the Dr. office (no fingerstick involved) but had the results the next day. If they spun it out to separate the components, I'm guessing someone isn't very proficient with calipers or can't calculate ratios into a percentage. It puzzled me very much. I only showed my Dr. my total T, free T, and E2 from my labs I ordered prior to my Dr. appointment. Somehow when the phlebotomist at the LabCorp office drew my specimen for online labs, she didn't draw enough or someone dropped a vial, because it only came back w/ partial results. So then, I go to make another 45 minute drive to have more blood drawn for my total T, free T, and E2. Then for my Dr. appointment I dropped the ball and only grabbed the hormone results and left the CBC, CMP, ferritin, etc. at home. Total clusterfvck all the way around. I do plan to take the CBC from that test to my next appointment to show her the discrepancy.
But yes sir, I run rich in the RBC department. Prior to TRT and off cycle for years, my Hct was 52.8% if I recall correctly.
I do deal with polydipsia ( believe I spelled that correctly) and average about a gallon of unsweetened tea daily, 1-2 L of water minimum, and err....2 Pepsi Max.
Fvvvvck. What a long post. Pepsi Max must be kicking in.

[almostgone]

I feel marginally decent about tonight's leg session. I know we don't play the numbers game, but I made it to 380# on hacks tonight ( a 100#/side and 2 plates/side). A far cry from when I tore my vastus lateralis a couple of years ago, right? Hopefully tonight wasn't an aberration?


Crunches- 130 or so
Let extensions- 2 w/u, Work- 38, rest pause, 12, rest pause, 9+ w/ a 10 count hold on partial.
Hacks- 2 w/u, Work- 10, rest pause, 4.
Reverse hacks- 1 w/u, Work- 12 reps, hold the weight for 5 good breaths, 3 reps.
Leg press- 1 w/u, Work1 ( feet wide)- 10, rest pause, 4. Work2 -( feet narrow)- 8, hold the weight for 5 breaths, 3 reps.
Standing calf raises w/ double pump at the top- Work1- 12, rest pause, 7, rest pause, 4. Drop some weight. Work2- 11, rest pause, 7, rest pause, 6.
Leg curls - Work- 12, rest pause, 5+ reps w/ a 10 count hold on partial.

65 minutes total, so not too bad for this 53 year old fat man.

Busy again tonight. Got to finish my Pepsi Max and my 50g of plain shredded wheat dusted with cinnamon and Splenda.

[almostgone]

Hope everyone has a good Friday. Deep tissue massage today. Hopefully after she whoops my @ss, she'll throw rotten produce at me and tell me I'm worthless.

[OdinsOtherSon]

Good Friday morning everyone. Make it a good one and enjoy your weekend.


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[hammerheart]

Got some labs results, hematocrit is fine at 44.5% and hemoglobin is best I've seen (was 12 before TRT) - 14.6 .

[NACH3]

Morning all

Legs are jacked up feels good... off day today just feel the body needs it!

Hope you all have a great Friday!

[marcus300]

Got some labs results, hematocrit is fine at 44.5% and hemoglobin is best I've seen (was 12 before TRT) - 14.6 .

Lucky man

[marcus300]

Still in a quandary on the weight issue. Makes sense to drop a bunch of weight first to see if I can avoid surgery so thinking I might shift from body recomp I am currently doing to a cutting routine last six weeks of go juice. Any thoughts on this? Test/NPP/TBol (ends in 2 days), will start some GH stimulating peptides this week. Was thinking I could spare muscle loss with what's on board and see if I can drop maybe 15lbs in next 6 wks with aggressive keto...

I would look how you have responded to harsh dieting before and judge yourself, but imho dropping bf fast is a big no no in my book because of the amount of muscle tissue your going to lose along side the bf. The weight wont all be fat loss it will be muscle tissue if you attack cutting fast and for me this is a major flaw what too many people do.

To build muscle tissue is fuking hardwork I have to push myself further and further the older I get to even get my body to respond and grow and to even think I could waste away tissue what ive gone through serious pain and extremes to get due to some form of harsh diet because I need fast fat loss wouldn't come into my head.

Ive had this mentality for years because every lbs of tissue is so precious to me I wont even consider giving it up for fast fat loss, its a circle many constantly go in and I would rather diet slowly and chipping away at bf levels and maintain tissue. My main goal when dieting is maintaining muscle tissue - sounds stupid if you read that fast doesn't it but think about it and you will see even reading to fast is a bad idea

[marcus300]

BUN and Ck were tolerable. I do overproduce, but not at that rate. Not sure if overproduction is a byproduct of Leiden Factor V. They drew the normal amount of vacutainers at the Dr. office (no fingerstick involved) but had the results the next day. If they spun it out to separate the components, I'm guessing someone isn't very proficient with calipers or can't calculate ratios into a percentage. It puzzled me very much. I only showed my Dr. my total T, free T, and E2 from my labs I ordered prior to my Dr. appointment. Somehow when the phlebotomist at the LabCorp office drew my specimen for online labs, she didn't draw enough or someone dropped a vial, because it only came back w/ partial results. So then, I go to make another 45 minute drive to have more blood drawn for my total T, free T, and E2. Then for my Dr. appointment I dropped the ball and only grabbed the hormone results and left the CBC, CMP, ferritin, etc. at home. Total clusterfvck all the way around. I do plan to take the CBC from that test to my next appointment to show her the discrepancy.
But yes sir, I run rich in the RBC department. Prior to TRT and off cycle for years, my Hct was 52.8% if I recall correctly.
I do deal with polydipsia ( believe I spelled that correctly) and average about a gallon of unsweetened tea daily, 1-2 L of water minimum, and err....2 Pepsi Max.
Fvvvvck. What a long post. Pepsi Max must be kicking in.

We are blood making machines mate lol, can you imagine how many anemia suffering people we could help. A few months ago I was in hospital and I was having some treatment for something and I was sat in a room with cancer patients having platelet therapy due to chemo treatment and I looked around and had a very humbling experience. I could see these very sick frail people struggling to even get a vein to get ready for the treatment and I could hear conversations between family and doctors about how desperate they need to get a line in and some blood in. I heard this guy next to me after the nurse tried 6 times to get a vein and line in that he had enough just leave it. This guy was frail and I could of easily curl him one handed for many reps and I felt inside I wanted to scream to the doctors take my blood and give it to him ( yes my blood type is that kind). It was a strange feeling at the time that kind of change my outlook on many things. I will go with my consultant and say that my blood is very special

[kelkel]

Well, Wednesday the PT gave me the green light to try some light squats at home. So, hit the dungeon late last night and was able to do the following:

Bike - 5 minutes
Extensions: 3 sets 15 ish reps. Close to normal weight but still concerned about to much pressure on hamstring (pressing down on it)
Squats: 3 sets of 10-15 with 135 felt great. Bumped it up to 225 and did another 3 sets of the same reps. Man it felt good. Kept waiting for the hamstring tug though which wasn't there thankfully.
Calf work - usual stuff.

Quite happy to be able to do these so soon. No direct ham work yet other than therapy exercises but it's coming soon!

[almostgone]

Well, Wednesday the PT gave me the green light to try some light squats at home. So, hit the dungeon late last night and was able to do the following:

Bike - 5 minutes
Extensions: 3 sets 15 ish reps. Close to normal weight but still concerned about to much pressure on hamstring (pressing down on it)
Squats: 3 sets of 10-15 with 135 felt great. Bumped it up to 225 and did another 3 sets of the same reps. Man it felt good. Kept waiting for the hamstring tug though which wasn't there thankfully.
Calf work - usual stuff.

Quite happy to be able to do these so soon. No direct ham work yet other than therapy exercises but it's coming soon!

Excellent, Kel!! Sounds damn good!

[kelkel]

Excellent, Kel!! Sounds damn good!

Yep. Was pretty psyched to even be able to do them already not even 3 weeks post tear. Got PT again today at 1200hrs.

[almostgone]

We are blood making machines mate lol, can you imagine how many anemia suffering people we could help. A few months ago I was in hospital and I was having some treatment for something and I was sat in a room with cancer patients having platelet therapy due to chemo treatment and I looked around and had a very humbling experience. I could see these very sick frail people struggling to even get a vein to get ready for the treatment and I could hear conversations between family and doctors about how desperate they need to get a line in and some blood in. I heard this guy next to me after the nurse tried 6 times to get a vein and line in that he had enough just leave it. This guy was frail and I could of easily curl him one handed for many reps and I felt inside I wanted to scream to the doctors take my blood and give it to him ( yes my blood type is that kind). It was a strange feeling at the time that kind of change my outlook on many things. I will go with my consultant and say that my blood is very special

LOL, have thought the same thing many times. . It freaks people out at how well I tolerate cold temps. I guess it's the thick blood....and the excess bf in my case.

[almostgone]

Yep. Was pretty psyched to even be able to do them already not even 3 weeks post tear. Got PT again today at 1200hrs.

Update please.

You must mend quickly and run at/over the upper end of IGF-1 range? I generally do and most cuts/ surgeries heal faster than expected.

[kelkel]

Update please.

You must mend quickly and run at/over the upper end of IGF-1 range? I generally do and most cuts/ surgeries heal faster than expected.

Yes. Trust me though, as soon as I get through my BW in a couple weeks and results come in I'm back on probably the same low dose run as before. Plus a new kit has arrived as well.......

[songdog]

Good morning Marcus and the rest of the crew not much sleep last night heck I was up at 3am grinding a knife then went to bed at 5 now for my walk later freaks.

[NACH3]

Yes. Trust me though, as soon as I get through my BW in a couple weeks and results come in I'm back on probably the same low dose run as before. Plus a new kit has arrived as well.......

You wanta throw me a kit Kel lmao

How much deca were you running 250mgs wkly?? I know u upped ur test to 400/wk if I recall.

[almostgone]

Yes. Trust me though, as soon as I get through my BW in a couple weeks and results come in I'm back on probably the same low dose run as before. Plus a new kit has arrived as well.......

Nice! Serostim?

[Cuz]

What do you guys think of runnin 1350 mg deca a week? Ever heard of such?

[kelkel]

You wanta throw me a kit Kel lmao

How much deca were you running 250mgs wkly?? I know u upped ur test to 400/wk if I recall.

Exactly. Was a nice ride. And btw, the fina maintained the same DHT level as if I never upped the test. I was quite impressed with that aspect.

Nice! Serostim?

Not this time!

[kelkel]

What do you guys think of runnin 1350 mg deca a week? Ever heard of such?

Just don't see the need for that much.

[Cuz]

Just don't see the need for that much.

I didn't either but I know someone running it, could the body absorb that much I wonder?

[NACH3]

I didn't either but I know someone running it, could the body absorb that much I wonder?

Absolutely imo - especially on a low dose test the AR will get saturated with the deca I’d think

[NACH3]

Exactly. Was a nice ride. And btw, the fina maintained the same DHT level as if I never upped the test. I was quite impressed with that aspect.




Not this time!

My PSA rose up to 2. Something I can’t recall and not in front of BW but I’ve been running 1mg with ref TRT and 5mgs with higher test(6-800mgs)... what do run your fina at on TRT and during a blast?? and I’ve been quite happy myself with how I’ve been running fina(and the thing everyone says it knocks your dick in the dirt which I’ve had zero problems with! I’ll get labs done and post em up I’m not too familiar measuring the dht from pre cycle status to during? I’d like to learn that and more about SHBG tbh!

[Cuz]

Absolutely imo - especially on a low dose test the AR will get saturated with the deca I’d think

Well Nach in this case the weekly test is over 2 grams a week if not more?

[NACH3]

Well Nach in this case the weekly test is over 2 grams a week if not more?

Wow... I’d say he can still have get great gains but we only have one AR(androgen receptor) so that is why lots of people would rather run low test(not me though either) but I’d say the test would be doing more but he’s at least getting half of the absorption rate with the deca and I agree with Kel that it’s not warranted especially with that test dose imho

I love high test(prop tbh) & tren ace at higher doses which seems at a 6wk cycle in getting best of both worlds b/c it’s a short burst cycle and I’ve responded very well to that but I’ll be trying tren e and cyp in a little while for 12-14 wks with a 1-2 pullbacks during the cycle due to HIT and the CNS getting taxed so easily - 6 wks is my limit hence why I like short esters in and out with the same results as 12wks imho

[Cuz]

Wow... I’d say he can still have get great gains but we only have one AR(androgen receptor) so that is why lots of people would rather run low test(not me though either) but I’d say the test would be doing more but he’s at least getting half of the absorption rate with the deca and I agree with Kel that it’s not warranted especially with that test dose imho

I love high test(prop tbh) & tren ace at higher doses which seems at a 6wk cycle in getting best of both worlds b/c it’s a short burst cycle and I’ve responded very well to that but I’ll be trying tren e and cyp in a little while for 12-14 wks with a 1-2 pullbacks during the cycle due to HIT and the CNS getting taxed so easily - 6 wks is my limit hence why I like short esters in and out with the same results as 12wks imho

Thanks for the input, guy is definitely growing could be water but definitely some major gains , he's also runnin isodrol and tbol pretty high along with others. Pretty massive cycle biggest I've heard of. We were pretty close to the same size a month ago and now he's at least 20lbs on me lol

[TRA]

I would look how you have responded to harsh dieting before and judge yourself, but imho dropping bf fast is a big no no in my book because of the amount of muscle tissue your going to lose along side the bf. The weight wont all be fat loss it will be muscle tissue if you attack cutting fast and for me this is a major flaw what too many people do.

To build muscle tissue is fuking hardwork I have to push myself further and further the older I get to even get my body to respond and grow and to even think I could waste away tissue what ive gone through serious pain and extremes to get due to some form of harsh diet because I need fast fat loss wouldn't come into my head.

Ive had this mentality for years because every lbs of tissue is so precious to me I wont even consider giving it up for fast fat loss, its a circle many constantly go in and I would rather diet slowly and chipping away at bf levels and maintain tissue. My main goal when dieting is maintaining muscle tissue - sounds stupid if you read that fast doesn't it but think about it and you will see even reading to fast is a bad idea

Exactly Marcus. Therein lies the dilemma. I have a number of specialists (and I have some significant clinical knowledge as well ) telling me I might put off a knee replacement if I drop 40lb or so, which implies muscle mass as well. In my first post I mentioned my reluctance because even though I'm not built like you guys, I have worked my arse off just to get some shape and underlying muscle and to think of sacrificing that is really hard. It's a gamble as well, because no guarantee the knee feels better. But the surgery means a lot of down time, especially for legs, which I've only worked a month in the past 10. So that's the dilemma.

I decided today maybe I would compromise and try to retain as much lean mass as possible and lose body fat at a reasonable pace. If knee doesn't improve I'll go ahead with surgeries. This seems like the best approach, most common sense and best outcome.

Of note, about 8 years ago when I was lifting really heavy and cycling my ex wife said she hated the way I looked...like a big [ugly] football player. Nice. My fiancé now says she loves my broad shoulders and thinks my chest is sexy. She even knows my lagging areas and compliments me on those - "your biceps look like they are getting bigger" haha. So I want to stay attractive for her and not just get shaped for vanity. I just feel better knowing I am improving my vehicle.

Off for arms, hella day so far. Hope everyone is having a good day!

[almostgone]

What do you guys think of runnin 1350 mg deca a week? Ever heard of such?

Not needed, IMHO, unless......no, not needed. Have known, seen, and heard of guys running loooong high dose/multi compound cycles. Out of the ones I know, 2 are deceased.
Pro level? Different story and different circumstances.