Continual Growth - Advanced AAS protocols

[guitarzan]

great question . My main point is not the exact details of the 'example cycles' themselves but more on the PHASES aspects I laid out, and each example cycle is laid out under these phases .

Phase 1 - your high androgenic high estrogenic phase (blast)
Phase 2 – your high anabolic phase (blast)
Phase 3 – your anti cortisol anti estrogen phase (beginning of your cruise)
Phase 4 – your growth factors and re-sensitization phase (part of your cruise)

phase 1 and 2 are 3 weeks each . phase 3 and 4 together total 4 weeks. so you blast heavy for 6 weeks, then you have 4 weeks off the AAS but on the anti-coritosls and growth factors.

think of this protocol NOT as a mere 'bulking' program, or cutting phase . think of it more as a way to run your cycles for say an extended 18 month time to try and grow and transform as much as possible . you'll go through all 4 of these phases back to back to back for around a year and a half .

these examples and phases are NOT really relevant for contest prep phases . thats a whole totally different ball game. contest protocols are all quite a bit different and structured much differently too.

This sounds like it's perfect for me. I'm nowhere near contest prep, or need to just bulk, I'm still trying to transform my body. Since I'll be coming off a 16 week cycle in about six weeks, how do you propose I transition into to this. Should I go ahead and incorporate phase 3 and 4 at the end of this cycle? I dont have the gear to stop cycle and start phase 3 and 4 now, but could have it as early as 3 weeks.
Current cycle
Test 750
Mast 600
Tren 300
Was planning to run some winny for 4 weeks, but now I'm thinking about waiting till after cycle

[cokemarine]

This sounds like it's perfect for me. I'm nowhere near contest prep, or need to just bulk, I'm still trying to transform my body. Since I'll be coming off a 16 week cycle in about six weeks, how do you propose I transition into to this. Should I go ahead and incorporate phase 3 and 4 at the end of this cycle? I dont have the gear to stop cycle and start phase 3 and 4 now, but could have it as early as 3 weeks.
Current cycle
Test 750
Mast 600
Tren 300
Was planning to run some winny for 4 weeks, but now I'm thinking about waiting till after cycle

Why so high on the test? 750 imho is off the chart. The actual difference in gains between 500 and 750 is minimal but the aromitization is crazy on 750.

[guitarzan]

Why so high on the test? 750 imho is off the chart. The actual difference in gains between 500 and 750 is minimal but the aromitization is crazy on 750.

Because I grow on high levels of test. I am not estrogen sensitive, and take very little Ai. The mast helps lower estrogen also

[Capebuffalo]

Because I grow on high levels of test. I am not estrogen sensitive, and take very little Ai. The mast helps lower estrogen also

750 isn’t high imo

[guitarzan]

750 isn’t high imo

I agree, if bulking. 750 seems to be a good amount for me to recomp

[powerliftmike]

Blast and cruise is effective. Test propinate is the preferred testosterone for the blasts for sure. For years now I have been a proponent of tapering testosterone down after blast until reaching near physiological levels. This is because, as you made mention, cortisol and other catabolic horomones will rise during cycle and so best to gradually lower test and let these hormones progressively descend as well. This method also essentially got rid of any acne problems (which for me was mainly an issue during PCT). I mention this because most of the forum advice out there recommends abruptly stopping, waiting until drug clearance, and then launching into a clomid, nolvadex, or other PCT protocol.

[GearHeaded]

Blast and cruise is effective. Test propinate is the preferred testosterone for the blasts for sure. For years now I have been a proponent of tapering testosterone down after blast until reaching near physiological levels. This is because, as you made mention, cortisol and other catabolic horomones will rise during cycle and so best to gradually lower test and let these hormones progressively descend as well. This method also essentially got rid of any acne problems (which for me was mainly an issue during PCT). I mention this because most of the forum advice out there recommends abruptly stopping, waiting until drug clearance, and then launching into a clomid, nolvadex, or other PCT protocol.

EXACTLY !

I'll be starting a thread, which I already mentioned here, about advanced AAS protocols and optimizing PCT . part of my protocols with that is exactly what you just stated, and going against the idea of abruptly stopping all your compounds and jumping on a generic PCT regimen.

[GearHeaded]

Why so high on the test? 750 imho is off the chart. The actual difference in gains between 500 and 750 is minimal but the aromitization is crazy on 750.

I agree with the other guys (remember we are in an "advanced protocols" thread) that 750mg of test is not that high at all . if you look at my example 2 protocol, you see test is front loaded at 200mg per DAY.

the difference between 500mg of test and 750mg is not that much for a newer user, I agree. but 500mg of test is what a lot of bigger guys are doing as there TRT.

also, Aromatization being crazy high at 750 mg . that depends on the person. I don't need an AI at a gram of test per week. and besides, depending on the goal of the cycle and the protocol we are using, we may be specifically after and wanting higher aromatization.
we may be running higher doses of test, over a gram, AND throwing Dbol in there as well just to get as much estrogen as possible (depends on the situation . . . so just saying 'crazy aromatization' is not necessarily a negative side effect)

[GearHeaded]

This sounds like it's perfect for me. I'm nowhere near contest prep, or need to just bulk, I'm still trying to transform my body. Since I'll be coming off a 16 week cycle in about six weeks, how do you propose I transition into to this. Should I go ahead and incorporate phase 3 and 4 at the end of this cycle? I dont have the gear to stop cycle and start phase 3 and 4 now, but could have it as early as 3 weeks.
Current cycle
Test 750
Mast 600
Tren 300
Was planning to run some winny for 4 weeks, but now I'm thinking about waiting till after cycle

yes exactly, at the end of this cycle utilize phase 3 and phase 4. you may want to extend phase 3 and 4 to being 3 weeks each instead of just 2 weeks each because of how long you were on this cycle.

in regards to the Winny.. yes it can be utilized at the tail end of this cycle and going into phase 3. the last two weeks of this current cycle you would drop your test dosage down a bit, perhaps utilize an AI (not sure what your current AI protocol is), and then add in 50mg of Winny per day for 2 weeks.. then come off the cycle completely but keep running the Winny at 50mg for two more weeks.
This will help with your anti cortisol and anti estrogen phases to help you prepare for your next cycle.

for you, being you've been on for awhile.. the 'androgen re-sensitiziation' aspect is going to be an essential part of phase 4 as well (you may actually want to begin phase 4 at the same time as phase 3 to get a longer run)..
This is where you'll want to run about 5ml per day of Synthetine , as well as around 60mcg of Clen combined with 150mcg of T4 (big BONUS here, not only will these things all in synergy help re-sensitize androgen receptors, but they will help you keep your gains AND help burn body fat and aide you in your recomp goals). Add in a GHRP (or MK677) like Hexarelin, and you'll get additional growth factors and lipolytic effects.

so, even your 4-6 week 'cruise phase' and being off of cycle, you will still make substantial body comp changes to reach your goals, all while re-sensitizing your body to prepare for its next cycle.. its a 'win win '
thats how "continued growth" cycles work

[guitarzan]

yes exactly, at the end of this cycle utilize phase 3 and phase 4. you may want to extend phase 3 and 4 to being 3 weeks each instead of just 2 weeks each because of how long you were on this cycle.

in regards to the Winny.. yes it can be utilized at the tail end of this cycle and going into phase 3. the last two weeks of this current cycle you would drop your test dosage down a bit, perhaps utilize an AI (not sure what your current AI protocol is), and then add in 50mg of Winny per day for 2 weeks.. then come off the cycle completely but keep running the Winny at 50mg for two more weeks.
This will help with your anti cortisol and anti estrogen phases to help you prepare for your next cycle.

for you, being you've been on for awhile.. the 'androgen re-sensitiziation' aspect is going to be an essential part of phase 4 as well (you may actually want to begin phase 4 at the same time as phase 3 to get a longer run)..
This is where you'll want to run about 5ml per day of Synthetine , as well as around 60mcg of Clen combined with 150mcg of T4 (big BONUS here, not only will these things all in synergy help re-sensitize androgen receptors, but they will help you keep your gains AND help burn body fat and aide you in your recomp goals). Add in a GHRP (or MK677) like Hexarelin, and you'll get additional growth factors and lipolytic effects.

so, even your 4-6 week 'cruise phase' and being off of cycle, you will still make substantial body comp changes to reach your goals, all while re-sensitizing your body to prepare for its next cycle.. its a 'win win '
thats how "continued growth" cycles work

That's exactly what I wanted to hear...lol
I like the idea of the fat loss benefits of the cruise phase, makes me think running it six weeks anyway, even one I start the six week blast. Keep doing six weeks on, six weeks off, as long as I'm still in recomp mode.