Quote Originally Posted by redthedogpgd
so the general concensus is that I need to parhaps take a bit longer working out (lose some weight though not absolutely necessary)

and that I should start with a smaller simpler stack?

something more along the lines of just test either cyp or en.
If you are truley holding 12 to 15% bf then I think you are fine to start the cycle..... You said you still see veins in your shoulders so the bf can't be out of control.

Yes your stack was way too much and the cycle Pheedno laid out is perfect for a first go.